Modal Frequency of a System having more than two components.

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on finding the natural frequency of a system composed of multiple components, specifically an assembly that includes a compressor, condenser, piping, fan, fan bracket, and frame. Participants explore methods for determining the modal response of the overall system and how to relate the modal responses of individual components to that of the total assembly.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks an efficient procedure to determine the natural frequency of a complex assembly and requests assistance in correlating the modal responses of individual components with the overall system.
  • Another participant suggests using finite element analysis (FEA) software, such as ANSYS or Comsol, to find modal frequencies for assembled components, while also mentioning a less expensive option, LISA, though they express uncertainty about its accuracy.
  • A different participant acknowledges the capability of commercial software to calculate natural frequencies but emphasizes the need for a method to relate the individual component frequencies to the total assembly frequency, mentioning mass participation factors for various degrees of freedom.
  • One participant recommends searching for "Component mode synthesis" or "Craig Bampton" as a starting point for literature on the topic, indicating that there are many variations and a substantial amount of material available.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods to relate individual component frequencies to the total assembly frequency. While some suggest using FEA software, others focus on theoretical approaches like component mode synthesis. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to achieve the desired correlation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential complexity of the geometry and the need for specific assumptions regarding the relationships between component and assembly frequencies. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps required for correlation.

subha_iit
Messages
13
Reaction score
0
I am looking for an efficient procedure to find the natural frequency of a system comprising more than two components. Like I have an assembly of system comprising compressor, condenser, piping, fan, fan bracket, and frame. I have all the designs and dimensions of the total model. How can I find out the total modal response of the overall system as well as how I relate the modal response of each components with the modal response of my total assembly.

Any response is welcome. I have gone through some literature review, but nowhere I have not seen such a problem with some really good solution. Please, HELP ME TO FIND OUT THIS. A
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
For complex geometry, your best bet is finite element analysis software such as ANSYS or Comsol. Each is capable of finding modal frequencies for assembled components.

http://www.ansys.com/
http://www.comsol.com/
List of commercial FEA packages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_finite_element_software_packages#Proprietary.2FCommercial

For a more inexpensive option you may also look into LISA although I can't vouch for its capabilities or accuracy.

http://www.lisa-fet.com/
List of free/open source FEA packages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_finite_element_software_packages#Free.2FOpen_source
 
Mech_Engineer@ Thanks for your response.

I know commercial software like ANSYS or other you specify do calculate the natural frequency of a total assembly, but What I am looking for is how can you co-relate the natural frequency of several components with the natural frequency of total assembly.

If I got individual response of several components and mass_participation factor for all the 6 d.o.fs (means X, Y,Z, Rot X, Rot Y, Rot Z) can I co-relate form that.
 
Google for "Component mode synthesis" or "Craig Bampton".

That should get you started on a literature ssearch. There's a lot to read and many different variations of the general idea.
 

Similar threads

Replies
6
Views
7K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 30 ·
2
Replies
30
Views
4K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
4K
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
6K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K