Modeling an Accelerating Structure as Static

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The discussion revolves around modeling the loads and bending moments on an unconstrained accelerating structure, specifically a rocket modeled as a uniform beam. Participants explore the implications of acceleration on load distribution and the effects of applied forces in a dynamic context.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Alex M., describes the scenario of a rocket experiencing a known force (T) at one end and questions how to account for the acceleration of the structure, particularly under conditions of 3 g's.
  • Alex M. suggests that the load experienced at point A differs from that at point B due to the unconstrained nature of the structure, leading to a potential increase in load beyond the applied force T.
  • Another participant advises starting with a free body diagram (FBD) to visualize the external forces and accelerations acting on the structure, emphasizing the role of thrust in generating inertia loads.
  • A further reply suggests making an FBD of one end of the structure to analyze the variation of internal forces along its length.
  • Two participants inquire about the orientation of the applied force relative to the rocket's axis, questioning whether the rocket is rotating and if the force lies within the same plane.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to model the forces and loads on the structure, particularly regarding the effects of acceleration and the orientation of forces. No consensus is reached on the best approach to analyze the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the structure's constraints, the effects of acceleration on load distribution, and the implications of force orientation. The discussion remains exploratory with various approaches suggested.

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Hello all,

I am calculating the loads on an unconstrained structure in space that is accelerating. There is a constant known force (T) being applied to it at one end (point A). The structure is a rocket with distributed mass but let's assume it is a uniform beam with constant density. I would like to know the load and bending moments across the length of this beam structure. The force of the weight acts at the center of mass (L/2 for an uniform beam). For a classic rigid beam problem, the force applied would be constant throughout. However, because the system is unconstrained, point A sees the magnitude of the force applied while point b, at the other end, sees a zero load. I also don't understand how to couple the fact that the structure is accelerating. If the structure experiences 3 g's (3 times the acceleration Earth's gravity) it will experience a load that is higher then the applied load T. Is my logic correct?

In the end I would like to have mass points along this vehicle with rough moments of inertia of the vehicle. Then if I determine linear and angular acceleration, I can determine the load and moment distribution.

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
-Alex M.
Austin, Tx
 
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Alex Mondal said:
Hello all,

I am calculating the loads on an unconstrained structure in space that is accelerating. There is a constant known force (T) being applied to it at one end (point A). The structure is a rocket with distributed mass but let's assume it is a uniform beam with constant density. I would like to know the load and bending moments across the length of this beam structure. The force of the weight acts at the center of mass (L/2 for an uniform beam). For a classic rigid beam problem, the force applied would be constant throughout. However, because the system is unconstrained, point A sees the magnitude of the force applied while point b, at the other end, sees a zero load. I also don't understand how to couple the fact that the structure is accelerating. If the structure experiences 3 g's (3 times the acceleration Earth's gravity) it will experience a load that is higher then the applied load T. Is my logic correct?

In the end I would like to have mass points along this vehicle with rough moments of inertia of the vehicle. Then if I determine linear and angular acceleration, I can determine the load and moment distribution.

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
-Alex M.
Austin, Tx

In problems like these, start with a simple sketch of your body and all the external forces (or accelerations) acting on the body, i.e., make a free body diagram. For example, it is the thrust of the rocket motor which is causing the rocket to accelerate at 3 g's, so you can replace the thrust of the motor with inertia loads acting on the internal structure of the rocket (at least in the direction of travel), because that's the dynamic loading the structure sees. After all, F = ma, even for rockets.
 
To find the variation of force along the length of the structure, make an FBD of just one end (say the end opposite the applied force). The internal force shows up in this FBD as an external force on the cut surface (where you cut through the complete body to sever one end).
 
What is the orientation of the force relative to the axis of the rocket?
 
Chestermiller said:
What is the orientation of the force relative to the axis of the rocket? Is the rocket rotating in a plane, and, does the force also lie within that plane?
 

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