Modeling Quantum State Evolution with Schrodinger's Equation

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The discussion revolves around modeling quantum state evolution using Schrödinger's equation. Participants are exploring the formulation of the wave function and the resulting differential equations that describe the system's dynamics.

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  • Participants are considering different forms of the wave function, such as ##\psi = \alpha |a_{0}\rangle + \beta |a_{1}\rangle##, and discussing the implications of using time-dependent Schrödinger equations. Questions about the validity of initial assumptions and the treatment of constants are raised.

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There are various approaches being discussed, with some participants suggesting different methods for solving the equations. Corrections to initial assumptions have been noted, and there is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these corrections on the problem setup.

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Some participants question the treatment of constants and initial conditions, and there is mention of potential typos in the problem statement. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct application of the Schrödinger equation and the assumptions involved.

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I am a little confused about how to solve it, probably it is easy but i didn't get it.

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I thought that would be a good idea to work with ##\psi = \alpha |a_{0}\rangle + \beta |a_{1}\rangle## in the Schrödinger equation with time involved, so that we get a system of differential equations. $$d\alpha/dt = \alpha*a + \beta*b$$$$d\beta/dt = \alpha*r$$$$ \beta(0) = 0$$
(simplifying the notation, throwing the i and h to the other side, a b r constants)

But i am not sure if this is the best way, and if this is right. And the wolframalpha's solution of the system was not an easy one to manipulate, so i think i am wrong.
 

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I would try ##| \psi(t)> = e^{-i\frac H h t}|a_0>## then play around with some Taylor expansion for the exponential and the trigonometric functions. Not sure it's the easiest way. It looks promising to me because you gat all this nested terms like ##H|a_0>##, ##HH|a_0> = H(\alpha|a_0> + \beta |a_1)## ecc...
 
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LCSphysicist said:
Homework Statement:: .
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I am a little confused about how to solve it, probably it is easy but i didn't get it.

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I thought that would be a good idea to work with ##\psi = \alpha |a_{0}\rangle + \beta |a_{1}\rangle## in the Schrödinger equation with time involved, so that we get a system of differential equations. $$d\alpha/dt = \alpha*a + \beta*b$$$$d\beta/dt = \alpha*r$$$$ \beta(0) = 0$$
(simplifying the notation, throwing the i and h to the other side, a b r constants)

But i am not sure if this is the best way, and if this is right. And the wolframalpha's solution of the system was not an easy one to manipulate, so i think i am wrong.
First, ##\alpha, \beta## are already given as constants, so you can't use them as ##\psi(t)##.

Second, are you using ##\hbar = 1## in this text?

Third, let's see the SDE for this system.

PS There's a typo in the question. It should be ##H|a_1 \rangle = \beta |a_0 \rangle + \alpha | a_1 \rangle##
 
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With the above corrections, it all works out: using the SDE gives coupled first-order differential equations, solve (e.g. using second-order equations), apply initial conditions, gives the quoted solution.
 

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