Modeling & Simulation in Physics: ZHAW Aviatik Course

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the role of modeling and simulation in physics education, specifically in relation to the course "Physics and Systems Science in Aviation" at the Zurich University for Applied Sciences (ZHAW). Participants explore the extent of modeling and simulation in various physics courses and compare them to the ZHAW course.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize the significance of modeling and simulation in understanding physics, suggesting that system dynamics is a promising method for achieving educational goals.
  • Others mention a wide range of physics areas where modeling and simulation are applied, including fluid dynamics, quantum computing, and biophysics, indicating that many courses incorporate these elements.
  • A participant seeks to identify other courses with a similar emphasis on modeling and simulation as the ZHAW course, referencing a bet made by Prof. Maurer regarding its uniqueness.
  • One participant challenges the bet's validity, suggesting that biomechanical engineering offers complex modeling and simulation opportunities that may rival those in the ZHAW course.
  • Another participant notes that the ZHAW course appears to be uniquely structured around simulations as a primary teaching tool, which may not be the case in other university courses, although simulations can still be conducted independently in other contexts.
  • There is mention of Operations Research courses outside of physics that focus entirely on modeling and simulation, which some participants view as a counterpoint to the bet's claim.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the uniqueness of the ZHAW course in terms of modeling and simulation, with some asserting that other courses exist while others challenge the bet's premise. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the comparison of modeling and simulation across different courses.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the extent of modeling and simulation in other courses, and there is a lack of consensus on the validity of the bet regarding the ZHAW course's uniqueness.

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The importance of modeling and simulation for understanding physics is a central question of didactics. System dynamics is a promising method to achieve this goal. This method is applied at the Zurich University for Applied Sciences (ZHAW, http://www.systemdesign.ch/index.php?title=Physik_und_Systemwissenschaft_in_Aviatik_2014 ). Does anyone know of other physics courses, involving more modeling and simulation than in Winterthur?
 
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Plenty, countless of them. Many areas in physics can be considered, such as fluid dynamics, quantum computing, nanotechnology, data analysis in biophysics, etc.
I have been working with quite a lot of medical software applications that need mathematical modeling and simulation (e.g circulatory system, human immune system, HIV-HBV infection, species interactions, food chain and network, gene expression network, protein structure prediction and modeling etc)

Please share your background and be specific about the application you are working with that you need any advice or help.
 
That sounds like a silly bet. If you want to see some complicated models and simulation, look at biomechanical engineering. Basic fluid flow is a mixture of fluids with different compressibility and viscosity, and chunks of squishy, sticky cells. I have seen decades of aero and control laws, but basic bioengineering was eye opening.
 
I'm not sure if there is because it seems the entire course is based around simulations being the primary teaching tool. The whole course seems to be structured around students building simulations to learn system dynamics better. It's a very interesting didactic concept, but I don't think most other university courses will teach the concepts in that same way. However, that's not to say you can't do the simulations yourself if you were to take the course from another university. For example, students in control systems often use MATLAB and Simulink to model dynamic systems.
 
If you go outside of the physics realm, there are Operations Research courses that are all modeling and simulation -- an entire series of courses. But the entire bet seems like a "mine is bigger than everyone elses" type bet.
 

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