Modeling WIth Sinusoidial Functions

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The discussion revolves around modeling the water depth in a harbor using sinusoidal functions, given high and low tide measurements and a 12-hour cycle. The original equation attempts to represent the depth but encounters confusion regarding time references and calculations for maximum, minimum, and average values. Participants clarify that the x-axis should represent hours since low tide, which occurred at 14:00, and adjustments to the equation are necessary for accurate time representation. Ultimately, the correct equation is confirmed as y = -5cos(π/6(x)) + 16, with the understanding that time must be counted from the low tide reference point. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly interpreting the time variable in sinusoidal equations.
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Homework Statement


The water depth in a harbor is 21m at high tide and 11m at low tide. Once cycle is completed every 12 hrs.
(a) Find equation for the depth as a function of time.

(b) Draw a graph for 48 hrs after low tide, which occurred at 14:00.

(c) State the times where the water depth is
(i) max
(ii) min
(iii) average value

(d) estimate the depth of the water at
(i) 17:00
(ii) 21:00

(e)
(i) 14m
(ii) 20m
(iii) at least 18 m

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This question is really confusing me. I graphed it so that my y-axis is (0,11) and went from there. Found the equation to be y= -5cos((π/6)x)=16 and I also got y = 5sin(π/6(x-3))+16, I check the solutions and they were correct. But now when I went to find the max, min, avg values I kept getting them wrong.
For max solutions said 08:00 and 20:00 I got 6hrs and 18hrs for max and I don't understand how this correlates?? Same problem occurred for the min and avg. As for part (d) I put 17 into the equation and got 20.33 and then I put 21 into the equation and got 16 could someone verify if this is correct? I'm still working on (e).
 
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Veronica_Oles said:
For max solutions said 08:00 and 20:00
Did you sketch the graph of depth as a function of time? At what time did the low tide occur? What point on the graph does the low-tide event represent?
Veronica_Oles said:
I put 17 into the equation and got 20.33 and then I put 21 into the equation and got 16 could someone verify if this is correct?
You can't put 17:00 and 21:00 in the equation. Can you say why?
 
Veronica_Oles said:
and I also got y = 5sin(π/6(x-3))+16, I check the solutions and they were correct. But now when I went to find the max, min, avg values I kept getting them wrong.
Your solution for y is not correct. At time 14, y should be minimum, that is, the phase has to be -pi/2; 3pi/2 ; ...
 
ehild said:
Your solution for y is not correct. At time 14, y should be minimum, that is, the phase has to be -pi/2; 3pi/2 ; ...
I believe OP wrote a general equation w.r.t. time which satisfies the amplitude and period conditions. The time in the OP's equation is not specified in terms of 24-hr clock. It is known that a minima occurs at time 14:00, so this instant is used as a reference time t=0. With a slight modification, the equation can be written in terms of 24-hr clock. (But the solution provided says OP's equations are correct, so I'm not sure if it is required to modify the equation ).
 
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cnh1995 said:
Did you sketch the graph of depth as a function of time? At what time did the low tide occur? What point on the graph does the low-tide event represent?
I graphed it.
You can't put 17:00 and 21:00 in the equation. Can you say why?
Because that is not the actual time that we go by in question. The x-axis is in number of hours.
 
Veronica_Oles said:
Because that is not the actual time that we go by in question. The x-axis is in number of hours.
Yes.
cnh1995 said:
I believe OP wrote a general equation w.r.t. time which satisfies the amplitude and period conditions. The time in the OP's equation is not specified in terms of 24-hr clock. It is known that a minima occurs at time 14:00, so this instant is used as a reference time t=0. With a slight modification, the equation can be written in terms of 24-hr clock. (But the solution provided says OP's equations are correct, so I'm not sure if it is required to modify the equation ).
 
cnh1995 said:
Yes.
Figured out the answer, did the graph correctly, my equation was also correct at y=-5cos(π/6 (X)) + 16 but I realized when u actually start counting the time the y-axis is actually 2 pm.
 
Veronica_Oles said:
Figured out the answer, did the graph correctly, my equation was also correct at y=-5cos(π/6 (X)) + 16 but I realized when u actually start counting the time the y-axis is actually 2 pm.
Well, you can modify the equation and get y=2 pm at the start.
 
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