Modern Atom Model: Is It Perpetual Motion?

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In summary: However, in quantum mechanics, the atoms are described by a state and governed by conservation laws, so there is no perpetual motion in the classical sense. This is known as Nernst's Theorem and is closely related to the concept of entropy. At room temperature, atoms behave in a way that is similar to a clockwork, but as temperature increases, the disorderly tendency of heat motion can disrupt this behavior. Therefore, the current atomic model is not a kind of perpetual motion.
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Is the current atomic model a kind of perpetual motion?
 
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Is the current atomic model a kind of perpetual motion?
It is not a perpetual motion machine. “Perpetual motion” is not forbidden by the laws of physics, just “perpetual motion machines”.
 
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Is the current atomic model a kind of perpetual motion?
In a QM atom there is no motion at all in the classical sense. The atom is described by a state (aka wave-function) and is governed by conservation laws, but there are no perpetual classical trajectories.
 
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The answer will depend upon your definition of Perpetual and Motion...
 
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Is the current atomic model a kind of perpetual motion?
No. It only feels like that, because theoretical quantum mechanics is taught before theoretical statistical mechanics. So you first teach it in a way as if temperature would be exactly zero. But at zero temperature, all degrees of freedom are frozen out, hence all dissipative forces seem to be absent.

On the other hand, with respect to crystallization, molecules and chemical reactions, room temperature is often surprisingly close to zero. (But with respect to electrical and heat conduction, it is not close to zero.) There are some interesting considerations elaborating this near the end of E. Schrödinger's What is life?
NERNST'S THEOREM
When does a physical system - any kind of association of atoms - display 'dynamical law' (in Planck's meaning) or 'clock-work features'? Quantum theory has a very short answer to this question, viz. at the absolute zero of temperature. As zero temperature is approached the molecular disorder ceases to have any bearing on physical events. This fact was, by the way, not discovered by theory, but by carefully investigating chemical reactions over a wide range of temperatures and extrapolating the results to zero temperature - which cannot actually be reached. This is Walther Nernst's famous 'Heat Theorem', which is sometimes, and not unduly, given the proud name of the 'Third Law of Thermodynamics' (the first being the energy principle, the second the entropy principle).
Quantum theory provides the rational foundation of Nernst's empirical law, and also enables us to estimate how closely a system must approach to the absolute zero in order to display an approximately 'dynamical' behaviour. What temperature is in any particular case already practically equivalent to zero?
Now you must not believe that this always has to be a very low temperature. Indeed, Nernst's discovery was induced by the fact that even at room temperature entropy plays an astonishingly insignificant role in many chemical reactions. (Let me recall that entropy is a direct measure of molecular disorder, viz. its logarithm.)

THE PENDULUM CLOCK IS VIRTUALLY AT ZERO TEMPERATURE
What about a pendulum clock? For a pendulum clock room temperature is practically equivalent to zero. That is the reason why it works 'dynamically'. It will continue to work as it does if you cool it (provided that you have removed all traces of oil!). But it does not continue to work if you heat it above room temperature, for it will eventually melt.

THE RELATION BETWEEN CLOCKWORK AND ORGANISM
That seems very trivial but it does, I think, hit the cardinal point. Clockworks are capable of functioning 'dynamically', because they are built of solids, which are kept in shape by London-Heitler forces, strong enough to elude the disorderly tendency of heat motion at ordinary temperature.
 
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Is the current atomic model a kind of perpetual motion?
It would have been, if it were a model of classical particles in motion.
 
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1. What is the modern atom model?

The modern atom model, also known as the quantum mechanical model, is a scientific theory that describes the structure of an atom. It states that atoms are made up of a nucleus containing protons and neutrons, surrounded by electrons in specific energy levels.

2. How is the modern atom model different from previous models?

The modern atom model differs from previous models, such as the Bohr model, in that it does not depict electrons as orbiting the nucleus in fixed paths. Instead, it recognizes that electrons exist in a state of probability, meaning they can be found in a range of positions around the nucleus.

3. Is the modern atom model considered perpetual motion?

No, the modern atom model is not considered perpetual motion. Perpetual motion refers to a hypothetical machine that can continuously operate without an external energy source. The modern atom model does not violate the laws of thermodynamics, as it does not claim to produce energy without any input.

4. Can the modern atom model be proven?

The modern atom model is a well-established scientific theory that has been extensively tested and supported by experimental evidence. While it cannot be proven with absolute certainty, it is widely accepted by the scientific community as the most accurate description of the structure of atoms.

5. How does the modern atom model impact our understanding of the universe?

The modern atom model has greatly impacted our understanding of the universe by providing a framework for understanding the behavior of matter at the atomic level. It has also led to advancements in technology, such as the development of transistors and lasers, which have revolutionized modern society.

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