Moment of inertia in shear stress

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the moment of inertia (MOI) for a T-beam and its implications for shear stress and bending stress. Participants explore the reasoning behind using Ixx over Iyy in specific calculations, the relationship between loading direction and moment of inertia, and the definitions of Ixx and Iyy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the author used Ixx instead of Iyy for calculating shear stress, suggesting it may relate to the orientation of the T-beam and its loading conditions.
  • Others propose that the author calculated the moment of inertia about both axes to illustrate how calculations vary with different axes, despite the loading being applied in one direction.
  • It is noted that the MOI about the x-x axis is greater due to the T-section's geometry, which may lead to lower bending stresses when oriented correctly.
  • Some participants express confusion about the meaning of Ixx, questioning whether it indicates the application of force at the top of the beam, while others clarify that Ixx and Iyy are geometric properties independent of load application.
  • There is a request for further explanation on how the choice between Ixx and Iyy affects bending stress calculations, but some participants indicate difficulty in providing additional clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the choice of moment of inertia affects bending stress calculations, but there is no consensus on the specific reasoning behind the author's choice or the implications of using Ixx versus Iyy.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in understanding arise from the dependence on the definitions of Ixx and Iyy, as well as the assumptions regarding the loading conditions and beam orientation. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

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Homework Statement


In the question , the author calculated the Ixx and Iyy , but he used the greater value (Ixx) in the calculation to calculate the shear stress , why did he do so ? why the greater value is used ?

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btw , Ixx means he author applied the force at the top of the T beam ??
 

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chetzread said:

Homework Statement


In the question , the author calculated the Ixx and Iyy , but he used the greater value (Ixx) in the calculation to calculate the shear stress , why did he do so ? why the greater value is used ?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution

It's not clear why the author chose to calculate the moment of inertia (MOI) about both axes, since there is a loading applied to this beam in only one direction. My guess - the author wanted to illustrate how the calculation changes when different axes are used.

The MOI used by the author to calculate bending stress is greater about the x-x axis because the T-section is deeper than the top flange is wide. Therefore, orienting the T so that its deeper dimension is parallel to the plane of the applied load will produce a beam having the maximum strength, and consequently, the lowest bending stresses.

This article explains how the MOI is calculated and how it is related to finding the bending stress in a beam:

http://adaptivemap.ma.psu.edu/websites/moment_intergrals/rectangular_area_moment_of_interia/rectangularareamomentofinteria.html

chetzread said:
btw , Ixx means he author applied the force at the top of the T beam ??
Not necessarily.

The cross section of the beam is a plane, and typically the axes of this plane are assumed to be x-axis parallel with the neutral axis, and the y-axis is vertical, or otherwise noted in the problem statement.
 
SteamKing said:
It's not clear why the author chose to calculate the moment of inertia (MOI) about both axes, since there is a loading applied to this beam in only one direction. My guess - the author wanted to illustrate how the calculation changes when different axes are used.

The MOI used by the author to calculate bending stress is greater about the x-x axis because the T-section is deeper than the top flange is wide. Therefore, orienting the T so that its deeper dimension is parallel to the plane of the applied load will produce a beam having the maximum strength, and consequently, the lowest bending stresses.

This article explains how the MOI is calculated and how it is related to finding the bending stress in a beam:

http://adaptivemap.ma.psu.edu/websites/moment_intergrals/rectangular_area_moment_of_interia/rectangularareamomentofinteria.htmlNot necessarily.

The cross section of the beam is a plane, and typically the axes of this plane are assumed to be x-axis parallel with the neutral axis, and the y-axis is vertical, or otherwise noted in the problem statement.
well, I read the link... But, still didn't understand what does Ixx means, I know it's moment of inertia about x axis..
Does it mean the author apply the force at the top of beam ?
 
chetzread said:
well, I read the link... But, still didn't understand what does Ixx means, I know it's moment of inertia about x axis..
Does it mean the author apply the force at the top of beam ?
Not necessarily. Ixx and Iyy are two geometric properties of the cross section of the beam. Their calculation is not dependent on how the load is applied to the beam.

Which moment of inertia, Ixx or Iyy, is used to calculate bending stress does depend on how the load is applied.
 
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SteamKing said:
Which moment of inertia, Ixx or Iyy, is used to calculate bending stress does depend on how the load is applied.
can you explain further ?
 
chetzread said:
can you explain further ?
I don't know how to explain further.

The calculation of Ixx and Iyy is laid out in tabular form by the author.

How you use these values to calculate bending stress is covered by elementary beam theory.
 

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