Moment of inertia of a double physical pendulum

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The discussion revolves around finding the moment of inertia of a double physical pendulum, focusing on the relationship between the two rods and their kinetic energy contributions. Participants are exploring the complexities of the system's motion and the equations governing it.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the moment of inertia of the second rod and its relation to the first rod, questioning initial assumptions about their independence. Some participants discuss the kinetic energy contributions of each rod and how they relate to the overall motion of the system.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about assumptions and the formulation of kinetic energy. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the motion of the second rod as it relates to the first, and some guidance has been provided regarding the kinetic energy expression.

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There are constraints regarding the use of images for equations, and participants are encouraged to use LaTeX for clarity. The discussion also highlights the potential confusion arising from the assumptions made about the motion of the rods.

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Homework Statement
My task is to solve the equation of motion for a double "physical" pendulum!
Relevant Equations
L=T-V
$\tau=Fr=I\alpha
I am having trouble to find the moment of inertia of the second rod!
Is it related to the first rod??
At the beginning I thought It's not!
But when took those as constant,the equation had become way much simpler and there is nothing about chaos!
My approach is given below
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Use the fact that the kinetic energy of either rod is the sum of two contributions:

(1) the kinetic energy due to the motion of the center of mass of the rod: ##\frac {1}{2} M V_{cm}^2 ##

(2) the kinetic energy due to rotation about the center of mass: ##\frac{1}{2} I_{cm} \omega^2##
 
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AF Fardin said:
Homework Statement:: My task is to solve the equation of motion for a double "physical" pendulum!
Relevant Equations:: L=T-V
$\tau=Fr=I\alpha

My approach is given below
Equations in images are not allowed; please use the PF LaTeX support to enter equations directly into your post. There is a "LaTeX Guide" link at the bottom left of the post window.
 
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Moderator's note: Thread moved to advanced physics homework help.
 
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The big problem here is the assumption that
$$
T = \frac 12 (I_1\dot\theta_1^2 + I_2\dot\theta_2^2)
$$
The kinetic energy cannot be written on this form. Note that the second rod will also move when ##\theta_1## changes.

Note: The angles are the angles each rod make with the vertical. This does not mean that the motion of rod 2 is independent of ##\theta_1##.
I made an exam problem with different coordinates for a double pendulum… that really threw some people off …
 
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