Moment of inertia of a spherical shell

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the moment of inertia of a spherical shell, specifically addressing the use of infinitesimal elements in the calculations. Participants explore the geometrical considerations involved in the derivation, including the dimensions of the infinitesimal cylinder and the area elements used in different coordinate systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the length of the infinitesimal cylinder is taken as ##R d \theta## instead of ##R d \theta \cdot \sin(\theta)##, suggesting that the vertical component should be considered.
  • Another participant critiques the derivation presented, arguing that it inconsistently switches between Cartesian and spherical coordinates, and provides an alternative approach using Cartesian coordinates to derive the moment of inertia.
  • A different perspective is offered using spherical coordinates, where the area of the infinitesimal sector is expressed as ##dA = 2\pi R\sin\theta\, R\,d\theta##, leading to a different formulation of the mass element and moment of inertia.
  • One participant expresses realization and gratitude for the clarification regarding the length of the infinitesimal cylinder, acknowledging the importance of the surface area covered.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the expression for ##dA## and questions the use of cylindrical coordinates instead of spherical coordinates, indicating confusion in their own calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate coordinate system and the correct formulation of the infinitesimal elements in the derivation. There is no consensus on which approach is superior, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to derive the moment of inertia.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in the derivations, including the need for consistent coordinate systems and the assumptions made in the calculations. Some expressions and steps remain unresolved or unclear, particularly regarding the area elements and their derivations.

Nikitin
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Hey. There's one thing I've always been wondering about when it comes to deriving the expression for the moment of inertia of a spherical shell.

Namely, why is the length of the infinitesimal cylinder used in the derivations (like here ) equal to ##R d \theta##, instead of ##R d \theta \cdot \sin(\theta)##? Afterall, ##R d\theta## isn't the actual height of the cylinder. The vertical component (the component in the direction of the axis of rotation) of ##R d\theta## is the length, which equals to ##R d \theta \cdot \sin(\theta)##.
 
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That's not the best of derivations.

They are accounting for the distance between the band and the axis of revolution. The problem with the derivation is that the authors are switching back and forth between cartesian (dx) and spherical (dθ). Choose one and stick with it!

Using dx, that little band is a spherical segment. Regardless of location on a sphere, the area of a spherical segment of height h on a sphere of radius R is ##A = 2\pi R h##, or ##dA = 2\pi R dx## in the case of an infinitesimal segment. The mass of that infinitesimal segment is ##dm = \rho dA = \frac{M}{4 \pi R^2}\,2\pi R\,dx = \frac M {2R} dx## . The distance to the axis is given by ##r^2=R^2-x^2##, and thus the moment of inertial is ##\int_{-R}^R (R^2-x^2) \frac M {2R} dx = \frac 2 3 MR^2## .

Using dθ, that little band is the surface of an open spherical sector. The area of that infinitesimal sector is ##dA = 2\pi R\sin\theta\, R\,d\theta##, so the mass is thus ##dm = \rho dA = \frac{M}{4 \pi R^2}\, 2\pi R\sin\theta\, R \, d\theta = \frac M 2 \sin\theta\,d\theta##. The distance to the axis is ##r = R\sin\theta## and thus the moment of inertial is ##\int_0^{\pi} (R^2\sin^2\theta)\,\frac M 2 \sin\theta\,d\theta = \frac 2 3 MR^2## .
 
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oh I'm such an idiot. of course! thanks, I see it now :) It's because the infinitesimal cylinder rolled up must have a length ##R d \theta## for it to cover the surface area of the circle sector.

thanks :)
 
Really Thnx for your explication, but I can't understand why dA is equal to 2πRsinθRdθ and why are you using cilindrical coordenates instead of spherical.

I've tried to solv for dA = sinϕdϕdθ and what I've got was ρ4 π r²
 

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