More docile dfn of local path-connectedness?

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The discussion centers on the concept of local path-connectedness in topology, particularly focusing on its definition and characterization. Participants explore the implications of this definition and related concepts such as bases for topologies and neighborhoods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant finds the Wikipedia definition of local path-connectedness intimidating and seeks a more approachable characterization.
  • Another participant explains that the definition implies for any open set, there exists a path-connected open set contained within it.
  • There is a discussion about whether every topology can be generated by a basis, with one participant affirming this and providing examples of non-unique bases.
  • One participant proposes a redefinition of local path-connectedness, suggesting that every neighborhood of every point should be path-connected, which is challenged by others.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definition of neighborhoods, with some participants emphasizing that neighborhoods can contain non-path-connected sets as long as they include a path-connected subset.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the characterization of local path-connectedness, particularly regarding the nature of neighborhoods and the validity of proposed redefinitions. There is no consensus on a single, friendly characterization of the concept.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definition of neighborhoods may vary, and there are unresolved questions about the uniqueness of bases for topologies and the implications of having non-path-connected neighborhoods.

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I find the one on wikipedia to be a bit intimidating. It says that...

"A topological space is said to be locally path-connected if it has a base of path-connected sets."

We have really not covered this notion of "base" in my course, and even though I know what it is, I don't have any experience working with it. For instance, my anxieties stem from... can every topology be generated by a basis? If a topology can be generated by a basis, is it unique? If no, can a topology admit a basis of path-connected elements as well as a basis of non-path connected elements?

So is there a friendly caracterisation of this notion? A natural candidate that immidiately comes to mind would be "A topological space X is said to be locally path-connected if every nbh of every point is itself a path-connected subspace of X."
 
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The definition is just saying that for any open set you can find a path-connected open set that sits inside it.

As for your other questions: Yes, every topology can be generated by a basis. For instance take the topology itself to be your basis! This should make you believe that bases are not unique. As a more concerete example, the conventional basis for the usual topology on the plane is the collection of open balls. At the same time, if you take the 'rectangles' whose sides are parallel to the axes you can see that they generate the usual topology as well. (To visualize this: you can fit a rectangle inside every ball, and vice versa.)

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Your redefinition is almost correct. It's not true that every nbhd of every point is path-connected - what is true is that every such nbhd contains a path-connected nbhd.
 
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morphism said:
Your redefinition is almost correct. It's not true that every nbhd of every point is path-connected - what is true is that every such nbhd contains a path-connected nbhd.

I was using the definition of nbh outlined here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighbourhood_(mathematics)#Definition (except that S={p}, a point)

Are you too?
 
I'm using nbhd to mean an open set - not a set that contains an open set. Although even with your definition of nbhd, your reformulation of local path-connectedness isn't correct. You are allowed to have nbhds that aren't path-connected. In fact, you're allowed to have open sets that aren't path-connected; as long as they contain an open path-connected subset, you're OK.
 

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