Motion of two objects in a perfectly inelastic collision

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The discussion revolves around the motion of two objects in a perfectly inelastic collision, specifically focusing on the implications of equal mass and speed in opposite directions. Participants explore the concepts of deceleration, deformation, and energy transformation during such collisions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that two equal mass spheres colliding at the same speed in opposite directions would logically stop, raising concerns about the implications of infinite deceleration and force.
  • Another participant explains that in a perfectly inelastic collision, kinetic energy is transformed into heat or potential energy of deformation, and that the displacement during deformation is influenced by the initial kinetic energy and the material's elasticity.
  • A third participant reinforces the idea that in a perfectly inelastic collision, the objects stick together and must deform, noting that if they could not deform, they would theoretically move off with different velocities.
  • A later reply acknowledges that the initial assumption of the spheres stopping instantly is incorrect, indicating a shift in understanding regarding the nature of the collision.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the collision and the implications of deformation, with no consensus reached on the initial assumptions regarding stopping and deceleration.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in assumptions about instantaneous stopping and the role of material properties in deformation, as well as the dependence on definitions of perfectly inelastic collisions.

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Imagine two small metal spheres of equal mass and size moving at the same speed in opposite direction collide with each other. Logically (without doing the math) it seems that both spheres will collide and just stop "dead" (because of equal mass and speed). I don't know whether I made a fundamental oversight in not actually calculating the results but I have a problem with the phenomenon I state above.

If the spheres collide and stop, then they would have stopped in no distance at all... that is and infinitely large deceleration. That would require an infinite force.. We know an infinitely large force is not generated in this instance so obviously the spheres wouldn't just stop instantly.. they would decelerate over a small (perhaps tiny) distance...
Where does this distance "come from"? they don't pass into each other so one would be lead to assume that the spheres were deformed... can deformation account for this discrepancy? and if so.. just out of curiosity... what if the spheres were made out of a very hard substance like diamond? ( $$ )
 
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In a perfectly inelastic collision the initial kinetic energy is transformed into heat or potential energy of deformation. In the latter case the deformation displacement delta_x is determined with the initial kinetic energy and the coefficient of elasticity. Also, deceleration takes time. The harder material is, the smaller the displacement.

If you consider elastic collisions, then, after deformation the potential energy of deformation transforms into kinetic energy and two ball fly apart.
 
well from the momentum equation

mu-mu=2mvf → vf=0

But in an perfectly inelastic collision, the objects coalesce or stick together. So they'd have to deform really. If they could not deform for some reason then the final momentum would also be zero but the objects could move off with a velocities v1 and v2.

Like an example is a car crash, both can be going at the same velocity in opposite directions but when they crash (perfectly inelastically) they'd crumple up and stick together.
 
in other words.. what I said in my first post just won't happen..
 

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