Motorcycle Accident - Coefficient of Friction issues

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The discussion revolves around estimating the initial speed of a motorcycle involved in an accident, focusing on the effects of friction and road grade on the motorcycle's deceleration. Participants explore the physics of motion on an incline, the role of the coefficient of friction, and the assumptions necessary for calculations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests estimating the minimum speed by assuming no friction, calculating a speed of approximately 26 m/s (60 mph) based on the height gained from the incline.
  • Another participant questions the steepness of the hill, indicating that a grade of 10:1 would significantly alter the speed estimate to about 45 mph.
  • A different perspective emphasizes the importance of friction, proposing a coefficient of friction between 0.3 and 0.5 for a clean, dry road, and calculating an initial speed of 40 m/s (90 mph) using this coefficient.
  • There is a request for a more accurate estimate of the coefficient of friction based on material interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of friction versus the incline's grade in determining the motorcycle's initial speed. There is no consensus on the exact coefficient of friction or its impact on the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions regarding the coefficient of friction, the type of contact materials, and the accuracy of the road grade remain unresolved. The calculations depend on these variables, which are not definitively established in the discussion.

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Hi Everyone,

I'm trying to find the initial speed of a motorcycle that was involved in an accident. The driver lost control and the bike dragged along the asphalt for some distance. I know several variables but my physics is not a strong suit to say the least. Any help would be much appreciated!

Here is what I know:

- bike traveled on its side (independently of the driver) for 200 meters
- nothing but the friction of the road brought the bike to a stop
- grade of the road - uphill approx 10 degrees
- motorbike weight - approx 145 kg
- dry road
- coefficient of friction of asphalt?

I'd like to know several things:
- the initial speed
- the formula used to find the initial speed
- if the type (i.e. rubber vs metal vs plastic) of contact points and actual surface area of the contact points of the bike on the asphalt make a difference for this calculation and if so how would that factor into the formula? Negligible? Can reasonable assumptions be made for a reasonably accurate initial speed?

Thanks in advance!
 
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You could get an estimate of the minimum bike speed by assuming no friction at all.

The bike climbs 200 x sin 10 degrees = about 35 meters

The starting speed to "free wheel" up the hill is given by v = sqrt(2gh) = 26 m/s or about 60 mph minimum.

I don't think you can do much more than that, without a lot more information.

Note: when you say "grade: uphill about 10 degrees" are you sure about that? That's a very steep hill. If you mean the grade is "10:1" that would reduce the speed estimate to about 45 mph minimum.
 
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Thanks Aleph, that's very helpful!

Yes I meant 10:1
 
The frictional aspect is likely to be the more important. Based on various other metal/nonmetal combinations, if the road was clean and dry I would expect a coefficient of around .4 to .5. Let's say it was at least .3. With a gradient of 0.1, that makes it three times as significant. v = sqrt(2gd(0.1+0.3)) = sqrt(2*10*200*0.4) m/s = 40 m/s = 90mph. Any chance of getting a better estimate for mu?
 

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