Movement of lone electron in a plane-wave electromagnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the movement of a lone electron in a plane-wave linearly polarized electromagnetic field, particularly focusing on classical electrodynamics. Participants explore the electron's behavior when subjected to a continuous electromagnetic wave, considering factors such as energy transfer, scattering, and the influence of nearby particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the approach to understanding the electron's movement in a continuous electromagnetic field, noting that the electron is initially at rest and not influenced by other particles.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of inelastic and elastic scattering, suggesting that the interaction between the photon and the electron could lead to energy transfer, similar to Compton scattering.
  • A different viewpoint posits that a lone electron behaves like free ions in a perfect plasma, indicating a resonant frequency of zero and no local restoring force.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the photon concept and emphasizes the need for a classical electrodynamic approach, arguing that the electron's movement is continuous and impacts the electromagnetic field, leading to energy loss as scattered radiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit differing views on the nature of the electron's movement and the role of photons, with some advocating for classical theories while others reference quantum concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the quantification of the electron's movement and the effects of nearby particles.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the interaction between the electron and the electromagnetic field, highlighting the lack of consensus on how to quantify the electron's movement and the implications of nearby charged particles.

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I would appreciate some help regarding the movement of an electron in a plane-wave linearly polarized electromagnetic field. Its simple enough question, but I am not sure what approach to take.

Let's say the electron is at rest in our frame of reference and the plane wave is continuous 300GHz, so it has a wavelength of 1mm. The electron is alone in space - there's no other particles for at least a few mm around. The field strength is not so high as to accelerate the electron to relativistic velocities.

The electrostatic field will move the electron a little side-to-side, coupling some of its energy to the electron, but the electron gives some or all of it back to the field, with a phase lag, just as a weight on a spring follows a sinusoidal motion, with a phase lag. Or does the electron's movement scatter some or all of this energy into different directions than that of the plane wave which excites it?

How much does the electron move? Where does the momentum come from to move it, since there is only the oscillating field in the vicinity? There's no other particle with momentum to push against.

If there were a thousand electrons all quite close to each other, say within 0.1mm of each other, I doubt that they would move as far as if there was just one, so the movement of even one electron will be affecting the field in its vicinity, weakening or at least somewhat phase-shifting it.

In high-power laser research, the electron's movement may be referred to with terms such as "quiver velocity", "quiver energy", "excursion amplitude" and "excursion length". But there, the electron has just been ejected from an atom, so there are other particles within a wavelength of the electron, so the papers I am turning up with these search terms are not very helpful.

Quantum electrodynamics, I think, would say that the electromagnetic wave doesn't interact with lone electrons, because that is not what photons do. But I am interested in classical theory which is applicable to this situation.

There's plenty of material on Thompson scattering, but that seems to be concerned with the behaviour of the radiation which is scattered, rather than the movement of the electron or whether it is within a few wavelengths of other charged particles.

- Robin
 
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If the photon has enough energy, is will inelastically scatter with the electron. This means that the photon becomes a photon with lower energy (and frequency) and the electron gains kinetic energy. This is similar to Compton scattering. If the photon is low energy, the scattering will be elastic: the electron is momentarily excited and wiggles (the electric field of the photon exerts a force on the charged particle and accelerates it), but then relaxes again so that the scattered photon has the same energy and frequency as the incident one.
 
A lone electron (not bound to an atom or smashing into other electrons) is similar to the free ions in a perfect plasma: there is no damping and no local restoring force, so the electron effectively has a resonant frequency of zero.
 
Hi Chris,

Thanks for your replies. I am seeking a classical electrodynamic theoretical approach to this situation, in part because I don't believe in photons.

I agree that there is no restoring force or resonance for the lone electron. In the classical theoretical framework, the electron is moved first to the left and then to the right by the electrical field of the electromagnetic radiation. This repeats for every cycle of the radiation which passes by. The question is how to quantify that movement, and how that movement depends on the presence of other particles in the vicinity. This movement is surely continuous in a continuous field, not something "momentary" as you suggest in your first reply. That movement will definitely have an impact on the field, since the field is giving some of its energy to the movement, and also since some of that energy is lost as "scattered" radiation in a donut-shaped lobe of emission.

- Robin
 

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