Multivariable Calculus Project: Spacetime/Black Holes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around a student's final project for Multivariable Calculus, focusing on spacetime and black holes. Participants explore potential project ideas and resources that align with the student's current knowledge and time constraints.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the student's knowledge of special relativity, classical mechanics, and electromagnetism to provide more tailored suggestions.
  • One suggestion is to read "Exploring Black Holes" by E.F. Taylor, which may contain accessible projects or workbooks.
  • Participants propose exploring spacetime problems in flat spacetime before tackling the complexities of curved spacetime and black holes.
  • Ideas for project topics in special relativity include examining how the electromagnetic field and Maxwell Equations transform under Lorentz transformations, and studying the relativistic particle using concepts like action, Lagrangian, and Hamiltonian mechanics.
  • There is a mention of specific problems in special relativity that involve accelerations, such as the Born rigid motion and Bell's spaceship paradox, which may be more manageable given the student's current feelings of being overwhelmed by tensor calculus.
  • A resource is suggested that provides an approachable introduction to tensors, which could help the student engage with more complex topics without needing extensive prior knowledge in differential geometry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of understanding special relativity and suggest various project ideas, but there is no consensus on a single approach or topic for the project. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple competing views on how to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the mathematical prerequisites for discussing black holes and spacetime, indicating that the project scope may depend heavily on the student's comfort with advanced calculus and tensor methods.

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I am a student currently taking both Multivariable Calculus and Differential Equations. Instead of a final exam my teacher assigned a final project for Multivariable, and I chose to do something with Spacetime/Black holes. Within the scope of <100 hours of work, is there anything I can do with my current knowledge? At the moment I feel a bit overwhelmed with trying to learn Tensor calc.
 
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How much special relativity do you know? There's no shortage of interesting spacetime problems ieven in the flat spacetime of SR, before you get take on the much more demanding curved spacetime of general relativity and black holes.

How much classical mechanics and E&M do you know? Have you been through a calculus-based course on classical mechanics? You'll get better and more targeted answers if you can tell us more.
 
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You could try reading "Exploring black holes" by Taylor. It might not be hopelessly advanced, I think it has some workbooks/projects. I don't own it, unfortunately, though sample chapters are availble at the aurhtor's (E.F. Taylor) website.
 
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pervect said:
You could try reading "Exploring black holes" by Taylor. It might not be hopelessly advanced, I think it has some workbooks/projects. I don't own it, unfortunately, though sample chapters are availble at the aurhtor's (E.F. Taylor) website.
Thanks I'll check it out.
 
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How much special relativity do you know? There's no shortage of interesting spacetime problems ieven in the flat spacetime of SR, before you get take on the much more demanding curved spacetime of general relativity and black holes.

How much classical mechanics and E&M do you know? Have you been through a calculus-based course on classical mechanics? You'll get better and more targeted answers if you can tell us more.

I have a very limited understanding of E&M, but some understanding of Classical Mechanics. I do understand special relativity and some of general relativity, and I'm fairly good at teaching myself new things within a reasonable scope (e.g. simple calc-based mechanics). The project doesn't need to be particularly advanced as it will be presented to other students of my caliber, but this is my area of interest and I would enjoy doing a lot of work for it. Any other questions?
 
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I have a very limited understanding of E&M, but some understanding of Classical Mechanics. I do understand special relativity and some of general relativity, and I'm fairly good at teaching myself new things within a reasonable scope (e.g. simple calc-based mechanics). The project doesn't need to be particularly advanced as it will be presented to other students of my caliber, but this is my area of interest and I would enjoy doing a lot of work for it. Any other questions?
You said "Spacetime/Black holes" and there's a lot of spacetime that isn't black holes. Many introductory presentations of special relativity assume constant relative velocities (and instantaneous accelerations if changes of direction are required, as in the twin paradox) because that simplifying assumption reduces the amount of calculus that is required. Thus, if you are feeling a bit overwhelmed by tensor methods but still want a chance to experiment with multi-variable calculus and differential equations, you might look for special relativity problems that naturally involve accelerations: Born rigid motion, Bell's spaceship paradox, Rindler coordinates, the relativistic rocket equation come to mind.

Black holes are somewhat irresistibly fascinating, but it will be hard to do them justice unless you're going to take on the mathematical preliminaries. But if you're feeling overwhelmed by tensor methods... Have you seen https://preposterousuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/grtinypdf.pdf ? Its section on tensors is no substitute for a serious differential geometry course, but it is very approachable and will give you enough background to get through a lot of neat stuff.
 
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Project ideas in special relativity:

Show how the electromagnetic field and the Maxwell Equations (a set of multivariable partial differential equations) transform under a Lorentz transformation. Start with fields, then later start with the potentials.

Study the relativistic particle... Action, Lagrangian, Hamiltonian... Then, the charged relativistic particle...
 
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