Multivariable max rate of change

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The discussion revolves around the implicit differentiation of a function defined by the equation z(e^(xy)) + z^5 + y = 4, specifically focusing on finding the partial derivatives df/dx and df/dy at a given point, and determining the maximum rate of change of the function at another point.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of partial derivatives and the implications of implicit differentiation. There is confusion regarding the correct coordinates for evaluation and the interpretation of the gradient in relation to maximum rate of change.

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Some participants have attempted to calculate the partial derivatives but question the correctness of their methods. Others provide insights into the differentiation process and clarify points of confusion, particularly regarding the evaluation of the gradient and its interpretation.

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There is mention of a midterm exam approaching, which may influence the depth of understanding expected from participants. Additionally, some participants note that implicit differentiation has not been covered in their coursework, raising questions about its relevance to the problem.

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Homework Statement


The equation z(e^(xy)) + z^5 + y = 4 implicitly defines z as a function z = f(x,y) near (0,2,1)
(a) find df/dx and df/duy where x = 0, y = 0, and z = 1
(b) find the maximum rate of change of f at the point (0,2)

Homework Equations


sorry, my first post here not sure what i need to write in this section

The Attempt at a Solution


sol'n (a):
df/dx = yz(e^(xy))
df/dy = xz(e^(xy)) + 1
then i sub in the co-ords given to find
df/dx = 2
df/dy = 1

part (b) is where I am confused, since they only give us f at point (0,2), is it implied that we plug in f(0,2) and get z = 1 and solve the gradient?
here is what i did:
grad(f) = [yze^(xy)]i + [xe^(xy) + 1]j + [e^(xy) + 5z^4]k
substitute (0,2,1)
2i + j + 6k
= sqrt(41)
 
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allenh98 said:

Homework Statement


The equation z(e^(xy)) + z^5 + y = 4 implicitly defines z as a function z = f(x,y) near (0,2,1)
(a) find df/dx and df/duy where x = 0, y = 0, and z = 1

You mean (0,2,1). (0,0,1) isn't on the surface.

(b) find the maximum rate of change of f at the point (0,2)



Homework Equations


sorry, my first post here not sure what i need to write in this section


The Attempt at a Solution


sol'n (a):
df/dx = yz(e^(xy))
df/dy = xz(e^(xy)) + 1

These partials aren't calculated correctly. Remember that z is implicitly a function of x and y. So if you differentiate

[tex]ze^{xy} + z^5 + y = 4[/tex]

with respect to x, you must use the product rule on the first term and you must differentiate the z5 implicitly with respect to x. Then solve for zx. Similarly for zy.

part (b) is where I am confused, since they only give us f at point (0,2), is it implied that we plug in f(0,2) and get z = 1 and solve the gradient?
here is what i did:
grad(f) = [yze^(xy)]i + [xe^(xy) + 1]j + [e^(xy) + 5z^4]k
substitute (0,2,1)
2i + j + 6k
= sqrt(41)

Almost OK on part b. But 2i + j + 6k is not equal to sqrt(41). One is a vector and the other is a scalar. What did you mean to write there?
 
Thank you for your help! I have my midterm in 3 hours lol. I meant to write the maximum value of the gradient, not direction. We haven't learned implicit partial differentiation, so I assume it will not be asked on my test. But just in case it is, how do I implicitly differentiate z wrt x?

And yes, you are correct it isn't (0,0,1) it was a typo sorry.
 
allenh98 said:
Thank you for your help! I have my midterm in 3 hours lol. I meant to write the maximum value of the gradient, not direction. We haven't learned implicit partial differentiation, so I assume it will not be asked on my test. But just in case it is, how do I implicitly differentiate z wrt x?

To differentiate

[tex] ze^{xy} + z^5 + y = 4[/tex]
with respect to x you would differentiate every term with respect to x, noting that y doesn't depend on x and z does, and write:

[tex]z_xe^{xy} + zye^{xy} + 5z^4z_x + 0 = 0[/tex]

and solve for zx.
 

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