Multivariable calculus: find the rate of change

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The problem involves finding the rate of change of temperature on a metal plate described by the function T(x, y) = x sin y + y² sin x, specifically at the point (π, π) in the directions of the positive x-axis and y-axis. Participants are exploring the concepts of gradient vectors and directional derivatives in the context of multivariable calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of finding the gradient vector of T and its evaluation at the specified point. There is confusion regarding the interpretation of "direction of the positive x-axis/y-axis," leading to questions about the need for a unit vector in calculating the directional derivative.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that the directional derivative can be found directly from the gradient without needing to multiply by a unit vector, while others confirm that the unit vector in the direction of the x-axis is <1,0>. The discussion is active, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the application of directional derivatives.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of directional derivatives and gradient vectors, with some uncertainty about the necessity of unit vectors in this context.

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The problem is:
The temperature (in degrees Celsius) of a metal plate, located in the xy -plane, at any point (x, y ) is given by the function of two variables T(x, y ) = x sin y + y2 sin x.
(a) Find the rate of change in temperature in the direction of the positive x-axis at the point (π, π).
(b) Find the rate of change in temperature in the direction of the positive y -axis at the point (π, π).

I am thinking that you would have to find the gradient vector of T(x,y), then plug the point (π, π). But the phrase "direction of the positive x-axis/y-axis at the point" is throwing me off. Does that mean you would have to find the directional derivative instead? So find the gradient vector then multiply it by a unit vector, but what is the unit vector?

Thanks.
 
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Homework Statement


The temperature (in degrees Celsius) of a metal plate, located in the xy -plane, at any point (x, y ) is given by the function of two variables T(x, y ) = xsiny + y2sin x.
(a) Find the rate of change in temperature in the direction of the positive x-axis at the point (π, π).
(b) Find the rate of change in temperature in the direction of the positive y -axis at the point (π, π).

Homework Equations


∇T = <tx, ty>

The Attempt at a Solution


I am thinking that you would have to find the gradient vector of T(x,y), then plug the point (π, π). But the phrase "direction of the positive x-axis/y-axis at the point" is throwing me off. Does that mean you would have to find the directional derivative instead? So find the gradient vector then multiply it by a unit vector, but what is the unit vector?

Thanks.
 
The gradient of the scalar T(x,y) is given by
∇T = <tx, ty> = <(∂T/∂x), (∂T/∂y)>
Here (∂T/∂x) represents the directional derivative of T w.r.t x
and (∂T/∂y) represents the directional derivative of T w.r.t y
The Directional derivative means rate of change of a quantity in a particular direction, so you can find gradient of T and need not to multiply by any unit vector, because it won't represent the true rate of change then(as its magnitude will be 1 then)
Hope this helps
 
Yes, you're right, you need to find the directional derivative. You want the change in the x-direction, so what would be the unit vector in this direction?
 
Aniruddha@94 said:
Yes, you're right, you need to find the directional derivative. You want the change in the x-direction, so what would be the unit vector in this direction?
Would it be <1,0>? Do I even need a unit vector for this?
 
Aakash Gupta said:
The gradient of the scalar T(x,y) is given by
∇T = <tx, ty> = <(∂T/∂x), (∂T/∂y)>
Here (∂T/∂x) represents the directional derivative of T w.r.t x
and (∂T/∂y) represents the directional derivative of T w.r.t y
The Directional derivative means rate of change of a quantity in a particular direction, so you can find gradient of T and need not to multiply by any unit vector, because it won't represent the true rate of change then(as its magnitude will be 1 then)
Hope this helps
So a) and b) are pretty much asking for the directional derivative of T w.r.t the variable, so a) is w.r.t x and b) is w.r.t y? It's that simple?
 
reminiscent said:
Would it be <1,0>? Do I even need a unit vector for this?
Yes that's the unit vector you want. Here you don't actually NEED a unit vector, since the required direction being along the x-axis you can simply take the x component of the gradient. ( but can you see that you are taking the dot product of the unit vector and the gradient vector?)
 
reminiscent said:
So a) and b) are pretty much asking for the directional derivative of T w.r.t the variable, so a) is w.r.t x and b) is w.r.t y? It's that simple?
yes!
 
Thanks guys! :D
 

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