Multivariate calculus, find the normal vector

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The problem involves finding the outward unit normal vector to a quadric surface defined by the equation x^2 / 4 + y^2 + z^2 = 3 at a specific point (2,1,1). The surface is identified as a spheroid, and the discussion explores methods for determining the normal vector.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of using the gradient of an implicit function to find the normal vector. Questions arise regarding how to compute partial derivatives when the function is not explicitly defined. Some suggest making the function explicit or using implicit differentiation as alternatives.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to find the normal vector, including explicit and implicit differentiation. Some participants have provided guidance on taking partial derivatives and using the gradient, while others are questioning the assumptions and definitions involved in the process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the point (2,1,1) in their calculations and discuss the implications of defining the function implicitly by rearranging the original equation. There is also mention of the negative part of the square root when making the function explicit, which is set aside for the current context.

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Homework Statement



Consider the surface x^2 / 4 + y^2 + z^2 = 3

(a) what type of quadric surface is this? (a spheroid...)

(b) find the outward unit normal vector to this surface at the point (2,1,1).

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How do we find a normal vector? Does one just take grad(f(2,1,1)) and then turn that into a unit vector to the the "unit normal vector"?

edit: can we define the function implicitly by subtracting three from both sides, then, as wikipedia says, we can just take the gradient at (2,1,1) to get the normal?

The Attempt at a Solution

 
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You'll need to find the partial derivatives to a=(2,1,1) first. If you found them, then

(1,0,\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}(a))~\text{and}~(0,1,\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}(a))

these vectors span the plane tangent on a. All you have to do then, is to find a vector perpendicular to the plane (thus perpendicular to the two vectors above).
 
how do we take the partial derivatives when the function is not defined explicitly?
 
You can easily make it explicit, by

z=\sqrt{3-\frac{x^2}{4}-y^2}

I know there is a negative part to, but we ignore it because were interested in the point (2,1,1).
So your function is

f:\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow\mathbb{R}:(x,y)\rightarrow \sqrt{3-\frac{x^2}{4}-y^2}.
 
Or you could also find the partial derivatives by implicit differentiation. (i.e. apply the implicit function theorem). Perhaps this is easier...
 
how would one take the partial derivatives of that, well, i guess we would take set y=constant, then 1/2 (3 - x^2/4 - y^2) ^(-1/2) * (x/2) for dz/dx and 1/2 (3 - x^2/4 - y^2) ^(-1/2) * (2y)for dz/dy, right?

then we have the gradient...

**scratch that... (if we did it that way, I would not know how to find the normal and found an easier way...)

it is true that the gradient of Ax^2 + By^2 + Cz^2 + D = 0 is (2Ax, 2By, 2Cz).

so therefor we can define the function in the problem implicitly by subtracting 3 from both sides, and then take the gradient to be (x/2, 2y, 2z), and simply plug our point (2,2,1) into our gradient formula to get our normal vector.
 

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