My blackhole theory-Why is it Wrong?

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The discussion revolves around a personal theory regarding the formation and behavior of black holes, contrasting it with established understandings of white dwarfs and black holes. Participants explore the mechanics of gravity, mass, and particle interactions, as well as the nature of scientific theories in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a theory where two particles with mass become trapped by each other's gravity, leading to increased mass and gravity as they spin faster, ultimately resulting in a black hole.
  • Another participant challenges this idea, stating that basic particles do not bind together due to gravity and that gravity primarily affects large-scale objects, questioning the feasibility of the proposed mechanism.
  • A third participant emphasizes the importance of rigorous definitions and mathematical modeling in physics theories, suggesting that the initial proposal lacks the necessary structure to be considered a scientific theory.
  • A later reply points out that the summary of white dwarf behavior provided by the original poster may not be accurate, indicating a need for better resources or understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed theory, with some challenging its foundational concepts and others emphasizing the need for a more rigorous approach to defining theories in physics. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the viability of the theory.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the understanding of particle interactions and the role of gravity as discussed, as well as a lack of mathematical modeling in the proposed theory. The conversation reflects a mix of personal theories and established scientific principles.

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Ok, I am no brilliant scientist like the rest of you folks but I have had a little theory rolling around in my head for some time and I would love to hear from you smart folks why this couldn't be the case. So here is a simple explanation of my theory.

Basically the idea goes like this. Two particles (with mass) traveling in different directions get trapped by each others gravity. The two particles begin to spin faster and faster as they get closer together. As they spin faster their mass increases and thus causing their gravity to increase. As the gravity increases it begins to pull in more particles. This whole thing continues as the speed and gravity get close to light speed the object goes dark. It continues in this manner capturing more and more material until it finally captures enough material to begin to reverse the process. At this point the object is still collecting material and slowing. When it slows enough it once again becomes visible (White dwarf) and continues to slow. As the object slows it's gravitational mass is decreasing. At some point as the object slows the gravitational pull becomes to weak to hold the mass together and the object explodes.

This is basically just the opposite of what I have read that is happening. My understanding is that it is believed that White dwarfs collect mass until they become unstable then explode leaving a black hole. Very Simplified description

I would love to hear from anyone why My Theory Can't Work.
 
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rjbig2000 said:
Ok,
Basically the idea goes like this. Two particles (with mass) traveling in different directions get trapped by each others gravity. The two particles begin to spin faster and faster as they get closer together. As they spin faster their mass increases and thus causing their gravity to increase.
I would love to hear from anyone why My Theory Can't Work.

As I understand, basic particles move and bind together not because of gravity. So there's no chance of: '...spin faster and faster as they get closer.'.
Gravity has effect only on large scale objects.
 
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Hi, rjbig2000, welcome to PF!

rjbig2000 said:
Ok, I am no brilliant scientist like the rest of you folks

Actually, PF users run the gamut from young students through a handful of professional scientists.

If you are a high school student, that would have been helpful information to mention here!

rjbig2000 said:
here is a simple explanation of my theory.

It can take quite a bit of book learning and experience to appreciate what the word "theory" means in physics, but what you wrote clearly doesn't qualify. One of the principle characteristics of "theories" in physics is that they include assumptions, motivations for those assumptions, deductions from those assumptions, all stated using the language of mathematics, plus mathematical models consistent with the theory which model particular scenarios, and so on.

rjbig2000 said:
My understanding is that it is believed that White dwarfs collect mass until they become unstable then explode leaving a black hole.

I don't think that's a very accurate summary. Maybe someone else can offer a better link, but try http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/blackholes.php from the Astronomy Department at Cornell.
 
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PLease reread the site guidelines you agreed to when you registered. Dissussion of personal theories is not permitted.

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