My dwarf is bigger than your dwarf

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The discussion revolves around the classification of dwarf planets in our solar system, specifically focusing on Ceres and Pluto. Participants explore the historical context, terminology, and public understanding of these celestial bodies, with references to the International Astronomical Union's (IAU) definitions and the implications of these classifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Ceres is the less massive dwarf planet while Pluto is the more massive one.
  • Others point out that the distinction between dwarf planets and plutoids is significant, with Pluto classified as a plutoid.
  • There is a suggestion that public understanding of Ceres as a dwarf planet may be lacking, particularly among laypeople and students.
  • One participant discusses the historical context of Pluto's classification and the ongoing debate about its status as a planet.
  • Another participant questions the motivations behind the push to classify Pluto as a planet, hinting at possible lobbying efforts.
  • Some participants note that there are more than two dwarf planets, listing Ceres, Pluto, Haumea, Makemake, and Eris, and mention the existence of additional candidates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of dwarf planets and the implications of terms like "plutoid." There is no consensus on the public's understanding of these classifications or the motivations behind them.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of astronomical terminology and the historical context surrounding the classification of celestial bodies, indicating that definitions may vary and are subject to interpretation.

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It's time to spread the word that the less massive dwarf planet in our solar system is Ceres, while the more massive dwarf planet in our solar system is Pluto. It was recent news to me at least.

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_%28dwarf_planet%29" .
 
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Um, that was known since at least the discovery of Pluto.
 
My oversight. I meant - to some extent - telling laypeople, high school and liberal arts students, amateur astronomers, etc, that Ceres is "the other" dwarf planet.

My guess is, though, that a poll at PF asking how Ceres is categorized would not be answered correctly by a considerable majority.
 
Thanks greatly, Arch2008. Where have I been?
 
You’re most welcome! The whole situation is confusing. Some people at the IAU had been trying to eliminate Pluto from the list of planets for decades. When Eris turned out to be larger than Pluto, they used this as an excuse to do Pluto in. A new group of “dwarf planets” was created. However, since a human dwarf is still a human and a dwarf galaxy is still a galaxy the result was inconclusive for most of us. Pluto was still a planet. So the even newer term “plutoid” was apparently fabricated to settle the matter of Pluto’s fate once and for all. And they call it science.:smile:
 
What's the motivation for the people to push to make Pluto a planet? Any Plutonian lobbying?
 
Loren Booda said:
It's time to spread the word that the less massive dwarf planet in our solar system is Ceres, while the more massive dwarf planet in our solar system is Pluto.

Are you implying that there are only two dwarf planets in our solar system? There are five: Ceres, Pluto, Haumea, Makemake and Eris. There are about a dozen more good candidates.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Are you implying that there are only two dwarf planets in our solar system? There are five: Ceres, Pluto, Haumea, Makemake and Eris. There are about a dozen more good candidates.

They're enough to make my head precess! Are they running out of Greco-Roman names? It's a small world after all.
 

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