My Romantic Woes: A Story of Failed First Dates

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A man shares his frustrating experience with a first date that went awry due to the interference of his date's friend, Harriet. After initially enjoying a good connection with Mary, the situation deteriorates when Harriet becomes upset about a kiss shared between Mary and the man, fearing judgment from her ex-husband's ex-girlfriend. Despite the man's attempts to be accommodating and supportive, Harriet's jealousy leads to a confrontation that ultimately ruins the evening. Although he and Mary manage to have a good time afterward and plan a second date, Mary later expresses uncertainty about continuing due to Harriet's disapproval. The discussion highlights the complexities of dating dynamics influenced by friends and social expectations.
  • #91
Cyclovenom said:
Btw, could you tell if she likes you?. That's useful to know.

Yes, she liked me. I know you have to take my word for it, but all the signs were there: extended eye contact, she laughed at my stupid jokes, she kissed me on the cheek when I wasn't looking a lot, she would hold my hand or stroke my arm while we talked, we made plans for a second date before the first date even ended, and whenever we walked she would hook her arm in mine.

Proof? No, of course not. But that seems like a lot of trouble to go through for no gain.
 
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  • #92
cronxeh said:
Frankly I don't approve the backdoor deal to get rid of the bald fat guy, but karma seems to have gotten you back (I don't believe in Karma, for what its worth).

Well, it was a hard decision to make. I felt bad for the guy, and Harriet was NOT interested in him one iota. I guess I figured the "plan" would be the easiest way for him to leave but without feel too hurt or embarrassed.

cronxeh said:
Also, if someone like Harriet was trying to corkblock me while I was trying to kiss a girl I would ever so not politely tell her in not so many shades of tone of voice to stfu. I have done it before, and yes there is a chance you will be slapped, but she is a girl, how hard can it be, really?

Well, I did speak up, but I don't express my frustration and anger through violence or yelling. Its usually counter-productive. However, I think that fact that I said ANYTHING AT ALL is what set Harriet against me.

cronxeh said:
Moving on. Some girls are just not worth the effort, and it is best to move on and not waste your time. Frankly a 3 strike policy would be the best approach. During the date, keep track of strikes against her, and just walk away on the third strike. Doesn't matter if you leaving her in the middle of the ghetto - just walk. Away.

I'm not about to adopt a 3-strike policy. I would probably rack up 3-strikes before the meal arrived. Furthermore, I certainly wouldn't abandon a woman (no matter what the condition of the date) alone in an unsavory place. I just wouldn't do that, I feel like it would degrade my character.
 
  • #93
FlexGunship said:
I just wouldn't do that, I feel like it would degrade my character.

And that is why you go home alone, and as my homeslice P!nk sang it, "It's just you and your hand tonight. Uh uh uh uh uh uh uh oh"
 
  • #94
cronxeh said:
And that is why you go home alone, and as my homeslice P!nk sang it, "It's just you and your hand tonight. Uh uh uh uh uh uh uh oh"

Umm, we were talking about abandoning your date in a bad area (as per your description). Given the premise, I'm going home alone either way, but in one case I'm not an *******.
 
  • #95
FlexGunship said:
Umm, we were talking about abandoning your date in a bad area (as per your description). Given the premise, I'm going home alone either way, but in one case I'm not an *******.

:smile:

I used to see your point,

but after a 3rd strike she is no longer your date, in my book. Just a total stranger. In the ghetto. Wasting your time. While you could be with someone of substance. Getting it Marvin Gaye :biggrin:
 
  • #96
I'm trying to see whether or not women have said a whole bunch in this thread. For what it's worth, I'll offer a bit of perspective from the dark side.

Flex, you were on a first date with a woman you'd only just met. Mary has been friends with Harriet for who knows how long. At that point in a relationship, it's a question of loyalties. Do you have your friend's back the way you normally do? Or do you tell her she's on her own and go off on your merry way with some guy who could very well end the evening with, "That was great. I'll call you soon." and then doesn't ever call again?

Then, you've let your long-time friend (however weird that friend may be) down for the sake of a few hours with a relative stranger. I can appreciate the balancing the situation required on Mary's part. She wants to think of just herself, and yet, friend.

[Caveat to say that, I also think that half-way decent friend would understand that you're on a first date and do their best not to intrude. Harriet has a whole bunch of points going against her.]

Certainly, the whole thing was annoying [Sorry, Flex, I'd love to be able to say "weird" for you, but in the world of my youth, your scenario only made the "annoying" grade. "Weird" had the potential to end with someone stripped to their underwear, tied to a chair and left in a phone booth on a busy street, late at night. Y'know?] and didn't make the best first impression of Harriet, I think it made a decent first impression of Mary because, if nothing else, you know she's loyal and someone you can count on. That's worth something.

Now, if this situation was, say, six months down the road, and you guys had been seeing each other for some time, and things were pretty solid, and Mary maintained her friend-time with her friends, and her you-time with you, then *something* would need to be done about Harriet and/or the relationship with Mary.

See, Flex, I rather admire younger women today for getting their priorities a bit straighter and not immediately dumping their friends at the curb the moment anything with a different-side opening pants zipper wanders by. Women routinely did that back in the "olden days" and harmed their long-term friendships really badly.

I seem to recall (having waded through this entire thread and noted that you called and left a message but I didn't note the times and dates relative to this point) that you left a message for her. Give her time to respond. I don't always get my texts or phone messages right away. I turn my phone off when I'm busy or involved in something with someone. Sometimes people need to be patient and wait to hear back from me. So give it some time. And when you do hear from her, have concrete plans for some kind of get-together, involving the two of you exclusively (ie: I have reservations for two at such and so restaurant), don't mention Harriet, and see how it goes from there.

If Harriet constantly commandeers Mary's life with drama and bs, and Mary allows that, then, as suggested previously, run.
 
  • #97
cronxeh said:
but after a 3rd strike she is no longer your date, in my book. Just a total stranger. In the ghetto. Wasting your time. While you could be with someone of substance. Getting it Marvin Gaye :biggrin:

Stranger or not, male or female, I wouldn't abandon someone and I don't think very much of anyone who feels that is the right thing to do.
 
  • #98
GeorginaS said:
I turn my phone off when I'm busy or involved in something with someone.

I don't think that's the sort of thing he wants to hear right now with everything that's going through his mind. :-p
 
  • #99
Oh! I just recalled something else Flex wrote. That "knight in shining armor thing"? No. Just, no. Don't go there, don't think that, don't even try, don't even think that's a good idea or something you want to do or be.

There be dragons. Just trust me on that one. Go with someone who can stand on their own two feet every single time. You don't want someone trying to "change" or "save" you, so why think that someone else would be up for that.

Plus: dragons. Nothing but bad stuff. Really. Can't stress that enough.
 
  • #100
jarednjames said:
I don't think that's the sort of thing he wants to hear right now with everything that's going through his mind. :-p

Bleh, okay, you're right, Jared. That's bad phrasing on my part. I don't mean "involved/involved", I just mean if I'm doing something that involves being face-to-face with someone. See, I think it's polite to pay attention to the living, breathing, in-the-flesh person in front of me. I think it's horribly rude to be answering phone calls and responding to text messages while, say, having lunch with a friend.

I'll leave my phone on if I'm waiting for a specific, important call from someone, or there are things at work that someone may need to get in touch with me about, or if I'm wandering about on my own. Otherwise I give all of my attention to the person who's in front of me and that does not automatically assume said person is any sort of competition. :smile:
 
  • #101
GeorginaS said:
I just mean if I'm doing something that involves being face-to-face with someone.

That's right, keep digging! :biggrin:

I do agree though, I don't mess with texts/email/phone when I'm with someone in person. That's just impolite.
 
  • #102
jarednjames said:
That's right, keep digging! :biggrin:

Okay, I'll cry "uncle" now. You win. :biggrin:
 
  • #103
jarednjames said:
Stranger or not, male or female, I wouldn't abandon someone and I don't think very much of anyone who feels that is the right thing to do.

What others think of me is none of my business :biggrin:

Also, why would I hold her hand treat her with kid gloves? She picked that bar to go to, hence she takes responsibility for whatever harm might befall on her if she is left alone by herself. And if she is an objectionable character, then she will be left alone by yours truly, and I would not even think twice about it.

And look at it from my side of view- if I invited her out, my intentions are that she is going to end up in my bed tonight, not alone in the bar. Obviously her intentions were different if she decided to dump her emotional garbage all over me during our date and accumulate all the strikes against her. Hence, her intentions were to use me for whatever personal satisfaction and in the end to be left alone.

I'm just a lone swimmer, in the sea of acid, looking for my way home, surrounded by others just like me, swimming vehemently for days alongside of me :biggrin:
 
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  • #104
GeorginaS said:
I'm trying to see whether or not [...] Harriet constantly commandeers Mary's life with drama and bs, and Mary allows that, then, as suggested previously, run.

Yeah, I guess you're right. It's just so freakin' rare to meet a girl like her. And I feel like if Harriet hadn't intruded, we'd be getting along famously well right now; on our third date and planning a Scrabble party (we're both board game addicts).

Grr... now I'm worried that I'm ONLY attracted to crazy chicks.
 
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  • #105
The problem is that I've worked hard to cultivate a very reasonable and powerfully rational mind which means I have no tools for dealing with women.
 
  • #106
FlexGunship said:
The problem is that I've worked hard to cultivate a very reasonable and powerfully rational mind which means I have no tools for dealing with women.

Uh yeah? Well guys are three-headed creatures from the great beyond, as far as I'm concerned.

That makes us even, I figure.
 
  • #107
FlexGunship said:
Yeah, I guess you're right. It's just so freakin' rare to meet a girl like her. And I feel like if Harriet hadn't intruded, we'd be getting along famously well right now; on our third date and planning a Scrabble party (we're both board game addicts).

Grr... now I'm worried that I'm ONLY attracted to crazy chicks.

I'm wondering where the last line came from.

Anyone who will sit down with you on a third date and play Scrabble, by definition, must be an awesome person. Do you have the OSPD? That's an absolute must if you're in any way serious about it. And one must always be serious about Scrabble. Edited to add: Wow, cool! Third date!

Here's another unsolicited observation from me, Flex. There are very, very few things in this lifetime that are all that serious. For real. If you're enjoying the woman's company, then do. If it becomes not enjoyable any more, then don't. And laugh. Just about everything is funny if you stop and think about for just a few seconds.

Honest. Have some fun with whatever wanders your way. And, if all else fails, you have a cool story to tell.
 
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  • #108
Actually, a date was the second date. Wine tasting was the third. Scrabble was to come in the eventual future.

Like I said, we had planned more dates.
 
  • #109
FlexGunship said:
Actually, a date was the second date. Wine tasting was the third. Scrabble was to come in the eventual future.

Like I said, we had planned more dates.

Stop being obsessive, man. Ask her out? She said no? then move on. That's life.
 
  • #110
Cyclovenom said:
Stop being obsessive, man. Ask her out? She said no? then move on. That's life.

Woah! I was citing precedent. I've moved on. This thread hasn't.
 
  • #111
I'll be honest, it doesn't sound like you've moved on. Sounds like you're pining for her a bit.

I take it you didn't get a reply then?
 
  • #112
jarednjames said:
I'll be honest, it doesn't sound like you've moved on. Sounds like you're pining for her a bit.

I take it you didn't get a reply then?

Sigh, observation noted. Sometimes it's hard to judge yourself, I guess. "Pining" though? Naw, she's not a fjord. And I'm not a dead parrot.

No, I didn't get a reply. I'm done.
 
  • #113
Dang! Sorry about that Flex. I misunderstood and thought that Scrabble plans et al were still on the go.

I can tell you this, though. There's lots more life on the way. Save this one as an interesting story to tell, laugh about it, and keep your eyes open. Yours is a story that's happened to most of us over, and over, and over again. Viewed as an adventure, it's fun. :smile:
 
  • #114
GeorginaS said:
Viewed as an adventure, its fun. :smile:

This must be a definition of the word "fun" that I wasn't previously aware of.

I know factually that I will be fine, but I also don't think its unreasonable to be bummed out about missing out on a "good one" for what I feel is, essentially, ********.
 
  • #115
FlexGunship said:
This must be a definition of the word "fun" that I wasn't previously aware of.

I know factually that I will be fine, but I also don't think its unreasonable to be bummed out about missing out on a "good one" for what I feel is, essentially, ********.

Think of it this way, she's also missing out.
 
  • #116
FlexGunship said:
This must be a definition of the word "fun" that I wasn't previously aware of.

I know factually that I will be fine, but I also don't think its unreasonable to be bummed out about missing out on a "good one" for what I feel is, essentially, ********.
Think of it this way. If she was really a *good one*, she'd be dating you now. She wasn't.
 
  • #117
cronxeh said:
Moving on. Some girls are just not worth the effort, and it is best to move on and not waste your time. Frankly a 3 strike policy would be the best approach. During the date, keep track of strikes against her, and just walk away on the third strike. Doesn't matter if you leaving her in the middle of the ghetto - just walk. Away.

GeorginaS said:
Sorry, Flex, I'd love to be able to say "weird" for you, but in the world of my youth, your scenario only made the "annoying" grade. "Weird" had the potential to end with someone stripped to their underwear, tied to a chair and left in a phone booth on a busy street, late at night. Y'know?

They should make a movie about cronxeh's and Georgina's dating experiences. In the end, they could meet each other and then...

... oh, they're playing Scrabble.
 
  • #118
Cyclovenom said:
Think of it this way, she's also missing out.

Yeah, maybe. Given that it could be her friend forcing her to "miss out," I don't find this particularly consoling. I appreciate the thought, however.

Evo said:
Think of it this way. If she was really a *good one*, she'd be dating you now. She wasn't.

Hah! As though all sufficiently attractive and intelligent women wished they could date me. The premise is sweet, but the conclusion smells all wrong. Thanks, Evo.
 
  • #119
FlexGunship said:
Yeah, maybe. Given that it could be her friend forcing her to "miss out," I don't find this particularly consoling. I appreciate the thought, however.

Her friend is not forcing her. It is still ulitmately her decision.
 
  • #120
DaveC426913 said:
Her friend is not forcing her. It is still ulitmately her decision.

Point taken Dave, but this seems to the deny the existence of coercion. True, it is her decision. But her friend could've made it a "me-or-him" proposition. In which case, does she really have a choice?
 

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