Natural thinking, common sense, and science?

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The discussion critiques a PBS program about the universe, expressing frustration over its conclusion that existence is intentional rather than accidental, which the commenter finds overly simplistic. They question the efficiency of scientific inquiry, suggesting that scientists take too long to arrive at conclusions that seem obvious. The commenter expresses disillusionment with scientists, comparing them unfavorably to politicians and teachers, and argues that common sense could lead to similar insights. They also dismiss the scientific method, equating it to unfounded beliefs like flat Earth theories, and express skepticism about scientific claims regarding the universe's age and the existence of life on other planets. The conversation touches on the perceived disconnect between scientific explanations and intuitive understanding, with a suggestion that ancient thinkers made more profound discoveries than modern scientists.
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I just watched some pbs program about the universe, and the conclusion was that existence is no accident, its the universe working for billions of years... seriously? you just wasted 1hr of my time to tell me something a little kid couldve told me in 10secs..?

Im no scientist... but i can take a quik look around and figure lotta stuff out... but these scientists take years, decades to come up with some simple answer that they couldve gotten by takin a quick look around and figuring it out from there... I always thought scientists were very smart peoples... like a higher class of human! but now that I am older they look no different than politician... teacher... priest... is like, no "common" sense at all!
 
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What.
I really don't know what you just said. The only reason you could have told me that the universe is billions of years old is because scientists already found that out and you heard about it somewhere. If you didn't already know, you'd have no idea how old it could be.
 
Hexnergy said:
I just watched some pbs program about the universe, and the conclusion was that existence is no accident, its the universe working for billions of years... seriously? you just wasted 1hr of my time to tell me something a little kid couldve told me in 10secs..?

Im no scientist... but i can take a quik look around and figure lotta stuff out... but these scientists take years, decades to come up with some simple answer that they couldve gotten by takin a quick look around and figuring it out from there... I always thought scientists were very smart peoples... like a higher class of human! but now that I am older they look no different than politician... teacher... priest... is like, no "common" sense at all!

this is the same method by which people came to the following conclusions:

Hitler was right (I mean obviously, the bankers did it and we know all Jews are bankers!)
The Earth is flat (of course the whole tortoise thing is silly!)
The Earth is hollow and we're living on the inside of it. (personal favorite)
The Earth is the center of the universe (I mean, duhhh, there's universe forever in every direction, we MUST be at the center of it! All you have to do is look with your own eyes?)Just out of curiousity, what does your intuition tell you about the behavior of subatomic particles, Hexnergy?

Does increasing the pressure of a gas increase it's velocity? (hey! no Google!)
 
Hexnergy said:
I just watched some pbs program about the universe, and the conclusion was that existence is no accident, its the universe working for billions of years... seriously? you just wasted 1hr of my time to tell me something a little kid couldve told me in 10secs..?

Im no scientist... but i can take a quik look around and figure lotta stuff out... but these scientists take years, decades to come up with some simple answer that they couldve gotten by takin a quick look around and figuring it out from there... I always thought scientists were very smart peoples... like a higher class of human! but now that I am older they look no different than politician... teacher... priest... is like, no "common" sense at all!
I've seen that show and you apparently didn't understand it.
 
you are right! that's exactly my point... we know information about things because somebody started asking questions... and building a knowledge base, but its like today scientists are shocked to find out that the universe is this old... or there's a new planet... or this or that, i bet they going to be shocked once they find a planet with life... i mean cmon, there are planets with life out there... this planet is not special... no accident... but if you say something like this you get rediculed... but these are the same scientist that will tell you with smile on their face about the big bang... but ask them what happened before it, and they tell you its philosophy blah blah blah... wow, how about replacing big bang with creation and before big bang call it god and call yourself a priest, mr scientist? no difference really... is like the real scientist were the ancient ones makin real discoveries, observations...

even for religios people there are other stuff in their world like angels, demons, etc... i was watching a program about fracteals the other day and it occurred to me that everything that exists is a fracteal... atoms have a nucleus (sun), and electrons (planets) orbiting the nucleus... same thing with solar system orbiting center of galaxys, and probably galaxys orbiting something else... i mean, is common sense!
 
Scientists aren't "shocked" to find out the age of the universe, or that there are planets to be discovered.

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