Need clarification on sig-figs and propagation of error.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of a rectangular prism with given dimensions and associated uncertainties. The original poster is seeking clarification on how to report the volume with the correct number of significant figures and how to round the associated error.

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  • The original poster attempts to determine the significant figures based on the dimensions provided and questions how to round the error. Some participants suggest that the significance of figures may be less relevant with proper uncertainty estimates, while others question whether the central value should maintain the same precision as the uncertainty.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of how to handle significant figures and uncertainties in the context of the problem. There is a recognition of the need for clarity regarding the relationship between the central value and its uncertainty, with some guidance provided on rounding practices.

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There are discussions about the precision of the uncertainties provided and how that impacts the reporting of the final volume. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the appropriateness of their calculations and the implications of rounding.

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Hello,

I have a question asking me to find the volume of a rectangular prism. The dimensions are as follows:

x = 20 ± 0.2 cm, y = 30 ± 0.2 cm, z = 70 ± 0.4 cm

I am asked to report the answer with the correct number of significant figures and include the error.

What I have so far:

V = xyz = 42000 ± 558.93 cm3

So I'm stuck on determining how many significant figures the answer should have and how to round the error.

I'm leaning towards 3 significant figures because 20 ± 0.2 is anything between 19.8 and 20.2, which have 3 significant figures. The same can be said for the other given dimensions. Therefore the volume would be V = 4.20*104 cm3.

Also, I'm not sure how to round errors. Do I round to the same number of significant figures or do I round to the same precision as the answer? If it's the same precision, assuming three significant figures, the answer would be 4.20*104 ± 6*102 cm3. This feels correct, if you know what I mean.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
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I moved the thread to our homework section.

With a proper uncertainty estimate the concept of significant figures is not that relevant any more. Typically two digits of the uncertainty are reported, but as your input uncertainties have only one significant figure rounding to one digit of the uncertainty should be fine as well.
 
mfb said:
I moved the thread to our homework section.

With a proper uncertainty estimate the concept of significant figures is not that relevant any more. Typically two digits of the uncertainty are reported, but as your input uncertainties have only one significant figure rounding to one digit of the uncertainty should be fine as well.

So would the answer, 42000 cm3, be reported with only one significant figure as well? Leading to a final answer of 40000 ± 600 cm3? What you're saying makes sense to me it just feels so wrong, as 20*30*70 is clearly 42000, or were you only referring to the uncertainties, with regards to the number of significant figures?
 
No, the central value always keeps the same absolute precision as the uncertainty: (420 +- 6) * 10^2
 
mfb said:
No, the central value always keeps the same absolute precision as the uncertainty: (420 +- 6) * 10^2

Oooh okay, that makes sense. Thank you so much! I was having a ridiculously hard time finding a definitive answer on google.
 
There is an engineer's "rule of thumb" that "when quantities add, their errors add, when quantities multiply their relative errors add".
 

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