Need formula to relate distance to arcsec in the sky

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time it takes for a supernova explosion to appear as one arcsecond from Earth, given a distance of 50 kiloparsecs. The participants explore the relationship between distance, angular size, and the required dimensions of the explosion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the need for a formula to relate the size of the explosion to its angular size as viewed from Earth. There are attempts to derive the necessary dimensions and time based on the distance to the supernova. Some participants question the appropriateness of certain formulas and consider the geometry involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing thoughts on relevant formulas and the geometry of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding small angle approximations and the expansion rate of the supernova debris, but no consensus has been reached on a specific approach.

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Participants mention constraints such as the need for a specific formula and the parameters related to the supernova's ejected mass and velocity. There is also a reference to previous learning experiences that may influence the current understanding.

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Homework Statement


I need to find how long it will take a supernova explosion to be a size of one arc sec here on earth, the distance to this explosion is 50 kilparsec


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Any clue on what the formula is?
thanks
 
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leonne said:

Homework Statement


I need to find how long it will take a supernova explosion to be a size of one arc sec here on earth, the distance to this explosion is 50 kilparsec

Wiki defines the kiloparsec at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsec so you can get the circumference at 50 kpc using Pi*d. Then divide by 360 to get degrees, 60 to get minutes, and 60 again to get seconds.
 
hmm, don't think that will help me I need to find how big the explosion needs to be to see 1 arc sec. With the radius, than i can calculate the time. I found this formula D=H/2tan(a) , but don't think it will work. either hmm. Well if I solve for H would that be the true diameter of the explosion?
Well thanks for the help
 
Have you tried drawing a diagram to see what the geometry of the situation is?

Things to keep in mind for very small angles: θ ≈ sin(θ) ≈ tan(θ).

You're looking for the time it takes "a supernova explosion to be a size of one arc sec [as seen] here on earth". What were you planning on using for the expansion rate of the supernova debris?
 
hey,
well i remembered using a formula last semester to find something similar, but forgot what the formula was. I found what the velocity was in part 1.
 
leonne said:
hey,
well i remembered using a formula last semester to find something similar, but forgot what the formula was. I found what the velocity was in part 1.

The shockwave of a supernova propagates at approximately the speed of light. I would suspect that's visible.
 
well we where told that ...ejected mass of 20 solar mass.
 

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