Need to Know if Star Light is Coherent?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the coherence of starlight and its implications for obtaining the spectrum of stars. Participants explore the concepts of spatial and temporal coherence, and how these relate to the measurement techniques used in spectroscopy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that for visible interference, a coherent source is necessary, questioning whether starlight is coherent.
  • Others argue that obtaining the spectrum of starlight does not require interference and can be achieved through dispersion using a prism or diffraction gratings, which do not necessitate a coherent light source.
  • Participants discuss the definitions of spatial and temporal coherence, noting that temporal coherence relates to the spectral width of light, while spatial coherence pertains to the size of the source.
  • One participant mentions that laser light has long temporal coherence but low spatial coherence, whereas starlight has short coherence time but high spatial coherence.
  • It is noted that measuring the spectrum of a distant star is relatively straightforward due to the larger spatial coherence compared to the entrance slit of a spectrometer.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about discussing the coherence of a star, citing various effects that starlight experiences, such as Doppler shifts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of coherence for measuring starlight spectra, with some emphasizing the importance of coherence and others arguing it is not required. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the coherence of starlight.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about coherence and measurement techniques, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of coherence in the context of starlight.

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for visible interference, we should have coherent source.

if we want to take spectrum of star, need coherent light.

i don't know that star's light coherent or not!
 
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sadegh4137 said:
for visible interference, we should have coherent source.

if we want to take spectrum of star, need coherent light.

i don't know that star's light coherent or not!

If by coherent source you mean something like a laser, then no.
To obtain the spectrum of the starlight you don't need any interference.
You can just use dispersion through a prism. This is how the spectrometers used to work.
Modern ones use diffraction gratings. Still don't need intrinsically coherent source, same as you don't need it in classical Young experiment or diffraction.
 
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sadegh4137 said:
for visible interference, we should have coherent source.

if we want to take spectrum of star, need coherent light.

i don't know that star's light coherent or not!

There are two limiting cases of the general optical coherence function: spatial and temporal. Temporal coherence refers to the spectral width of the light, while spatial coherence is a measure of the size of the source. Temporal coherence is measured using (for example) a Michaelson interferometer, while spatial coherence can be measured using a Young double-slit interferometer.

Laser light, for example, has a very narrow spectrum (long temporal coherence), but the spatial coherence is low (speckle is visible). Starlight, by contrast, has a short coherence time (broad spectrum), but is highly spatially coherent. Just as temporal coherence can be increased by spectrally filtering the light, spatial coherence can be increased by spatially filtering the light (through a pinhole or single-mode fiber, for example).

Measuring the spectrum of a distant star is fairly easy since the spatial coherence is much larger than the entrance slit of a spectrometer.
 
Andy Resnick said:
There are two limiting cases of the general optical coherence function: spatial and temporal. Temporal coherence refers to the spectral width of the light, while spatial coherence is a measure of the size of the source. Temporal coherence is measured using (for example) a Michaelson interferometer, while spatial coherence can be measured using a Young double-slit interferometer.

Laser light, for example, has a very narrow spectrum (long temporal coherence), but the spatial coherence is low (speckle is visible). Starlight, by contrast, has a short coherence time (broad spectrum), but is highly spatially coherent. Just as temporal coherence can be increased by spectrally filtering the light, spatial coherence can be increased by spatially filtering the light (through a pinhole or single-mode fiber, for example).

Measuring the spectrum of a distant star is fairly easy since the spatial coherence is much larger than the entrance slit of a spectrometer.

Fields radiating from a star is all over the spectrum and they are prone to various effect (doppler etc) on their way as well. It doesn't make sense to me to talk about 'coherence of a star'.
 

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