Negative Acceleration in Black Holes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of negative acceleration experienced by objects falling into a black hole, particularly as they approach the singularity. Participants explore the nature of acceleration, time, and the experience of free fall in the context of black holes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that entering a black hole may involve experiencing negative acceleration as one approaches the singularity.
  • Others argue that there is no requirement to stop at the singularity, suggesting that one can continue to accelerate towards it without experiencing a meaningful stoppage.
  • A participant questions the conventional understanding of time in this context, suggesting that the experience of time is not as straightforward as it is understood outside of a black hole.
  • Another participant mentions that proper time for an observer falling towards the singularity continues to be defined, implying that the experience of time remains intact despite extreme conditions.
  • One participant draws an analogy between a black hole and a centrifuge, suggesting that acceleration decreases as one moves towards the center, leading to a concept of retardation or negative acceleration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of acceleration and time in black holes, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of acceleration and time in the context of black holes, as well as the implications of approaching the singularity.

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Negative acceleration...

I am not to sure if anyone knows this and I am sure this is testing a physicists' best mettle...so here goes. When you are experiencing free fall upon entering a black hole...at the peak of the vortex or at some prior to singularity, wouldn't you be experiencing negative acceleration...?:smile:
 
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You mean you must start to accelerate in a direction away from the singularity because you must come to a stop at the singularity?

As I understand it there's no reason for this to happen, because you (or the particles you're made of) will only experience a finite amount of time, so you can continue to accelerate towards the singularity, and you don't exist after you hit it.
 
That's the problem though, the time you speak of is not in terms of the 'time' we understand it to be. It's not an experiential process as we know it to be.
I think what I am trying to understand is that there is no meaningful accerleration towards singularity but a negative acceleration that occurs prior to the point of singularity. There is no stoppage but a constant continuum of matter
 
There is no problem with the concept of "time". Proper time will continue to be defined, so for an observer falling toward the singularity he can just keep looking at his watch without problem (ignoring the fact that the watch gets stretched beyond factory tested limits).
 
humuus said:
I am not to sure if anyone knows this and I am sure this is testing a physicists' best mettle...so here goes. When you are experiencing free fall upon entering a black hole...at the peak of the vortex or at some prior to singularity, wouldn't you be experiencing negative acceleration...?:smile:

while talking about a black hole we consider a centrifuge in the place of a black hole. as u knw dat an object at the extreme end or at the circumference of the centrifuge experiencees maximum acceleration. its acceleration reduces as the object falls in ! so at the centre the acceleration is zero. hence we can get retardation !(negative acceleration )
 

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