Negative Feedback Example: Gain & Feedback Factor

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The discussion revolves around the concept of negative feedback in amplifiers, specifically examining the relationship between gain with and without feedback, and the implications of feedback on input signals and output voltages. The scope includes theoretical aspects of amplifier behavior and feedback mechanisms.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an example involving an amplifier with a signal voltage of 101mV and an output voltage of 10V, questioning the relationship between gain with and without feedback.
  • Another participant clarifies that the output voltage is kept constant while the input signal is modified, suggesting that negative feedback requires a greater input signal to maintain the same output.
  • A third participant acknowledges the clarification provided by the second participant.
  • One post references a complete derivation of op amp feedback and gain, indicating a resource for further understanding.

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Participants express some confusion regarding the gain values and their relationship, but there is a general agreement on the mechanism of negative feedback affecting input signals. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as the initial doubt about the gain values is not fully clarified.

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The discussion does not resolve the initial participant's confusion about the gain values, and assumptions regarding the feedback mechanism and its effects on the input signal are not fully explored.

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While introducing negative feedback, my book gave the following example:

Let the signal voltage be 101mV and the output voltage of the amplifier be 10V
Out of this 10V a fraction (0.01) i.e. 100mV was made to feedback to the input circuit. The feedback circuit did not introduce any phase change. Hence, the feedback was negative (there is a 180 deg. phase reversal in amplifier circuit.)
The input signal now becomes (101-100) = 1mV

Then it was given that,
Gain (without feedback) is 10V/1mV = 10,000
Gain with feedback = 10V/101mV = 100 (approx)
Feedback factor = 100mV/10V = 0.01

My doubt is that shouldn't the gain without feedback and the gain with feedback be just the opposite?
With the feedback the input becomes 1mV and without feedback the input was 101mV
 
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They are keeping the output voltage constant and instead modifying the input signal. So with feedback, they needed a greater input signal to achieve the same output. This is to be expected with negative feedback since you are essentially subtracting off some of the output signal off from the input.
 
ohk... this was what was intended.
Thanks a lot Born2bwire
 
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