Negative Ion Emission: Heat, Piezoelectric Effect & Object Differences

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the emission of negative ions from various objects, particularly focusing on the roles of heat and the piezoelectric effect, as well as the differences between materials in their ability to emit negative ions. Participants explore claims made by certain products regarding negative ion generation and question the validity of these claims.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the piezoelectric effect is being confused with the photoelectric effect in the context of negative ion emission.
  • One participant asserts that solar cells do not emit negative ions but instead convert light energy to electrical energy, suggesting that high voltage or heat is required for negative ion release.
  • Another participant mentions that certain crystals can polarize and create a voltage difference, but questions whether they can emit negative ions without external stimulation.
  • Concerns are raised about the health claims associated with negative ion generators, with one participant stating that there is no evidence supporting health benefits from the voltage differences created by crystals.
  • There is a contention regarding the characterization of emitted electrons versus ions, with some participants arguing that while electrons can be ejected, they are not technically ions.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the legitimacy of products claiming to emit negative ions without any external influence, particularly in the case of quartz crystals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the validity of claims regarding negative ion emission, with no consensus reached on the mechanisms or the existence of such emissions from certain materials.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the emission of negative ions depend on specific conditions, such as the application of high voltage or heating, which are not universally accepted or agreed upon in the discussion.

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Will more negative ions emit from an object (like a "negative ion generator") due to heat or piezoelectric effect or will they emit any way?

Also, do certain objects give off more negative ions than others?
 
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Do you mean 'piezoelectric'...? are you sure you do not mean 'photoelectric'...?
 
Well I do know that solar cells can do this.

I'm trying to counter the claims of some products out there that say that b/c they're made of this or that they emit negative ions. For example, can a quartz crystal just sitting there emit negative ions? Not being stressed or pulsed.
 
Some crystals do spontaneously polarize, causing a very small, temporary voltage difference. Some are also pyroelectric, which means that they create a voltage difference when the temperature changes. To my knowledge, they don't actually release negative ions, and if they did, they'd also be releasing positive ones. As for health benefits, there's no evidence that the tiny voltage difference against your skin will do any good, and you can get the same effect (but stronger) by licking a battery. If negative ions were released from the crystal, I'd expect that it would just rub off onto your skin, making the sweat/moisture on your skin more acidic and irritating the skin.
 
bbgirl said:
Well I do know that solar cells can do this.

I'm trying to counter the claims of some products out there that say that b/c they're made of this or that they emit negative ions. For example, can a quartz crystal just sitting there emit negative ions? Not being stressed or pulsed.

Solar cells do not release negative ions. They absorb light and use the energy to promote electrons to a different energy level in the material, causing a current to flow in the process. We use this current to provide electrical power. I can't think of anything that simply releases negative ions unless a very high voltage is applied or you heat it up. (Such as the filament in a CRT that emits the electrons)

In fact, this whole premise of "releasing negative ions" is nonsense.
 
'In fact, this whole premise of "releasing negative ions" is nonsense.
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It is a pity you had to say something so negative !
Electrons can be ejected from surfaces quite easily. I know that 'strictly speaking' they are not 'IONS'... but they are charged particles so someone interested in this physics could see them as part of the story of ejection of 'ions'.
In my opinion it is better to include relevant physics to help an explanation than to pooh pooh it.
You really have to be prepared to explain why something is 'NONSENSE'
 
Emilyjoint said:
'In fact, this whole premise of "releasing negative ions" is nonsense.
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It is a pity you had to say something so negative !
Electrons can be ejected from surfaces quite easily. I know that 'strictly speaking' they are not 'IONS'... but they are charged particles so someone interested in this physics could see them as part of the story of ejection of 'ions'.
In my opinion it is better to include relevant physics to help an explanation than to pooh pooh it.
You really have to be prepared to explain why something is 'NONSENSE'

I'm pretty sure the products the OP is talking about are scam, as the OP was asking about quartz crystals just sitting there without anything happening to them. The idea that different materials emit electrons without an external cause and not being radioactive is nonsense.
 
OK...I did not latch onto the crystals slant.
At first read I thought it was a mix up between piezoelectric and photoelectric effects.
Live & learn !
 

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