Negative Pressure in a 10mL syringe containing 2.5mL water

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The discussion focuses on converting a vacuum leak test for medical devices from a syringe-based method to a pump-based approach. Participants are trying to determine the pressure in a syringe containing 2.5 mL of water when the plunger is pulled back to 10 mL, considering the impact of water vapor pressure. It is noted that the vapor pressure will reach equilibrium within the 15-30 second test duration. Clarification is sought on whether to use 0 mL or 3.5 mL as the initial volume in pressure calculations, with the consensus that the pressure will equal the equilibrium vapor pressure at the liquid's temperature. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the pressure dynamics in this testing scenario.
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Hello All,
We are trying to convert a vacuum leak test for medical devices (catheters) from a syringe based test to a pump based test.
The current guidelines call for purging air from the ID of the catheter under test with water (~1mL). The distal end of the catheter (tube) is blocked and the proximal end is attached to a 10mL syringe containing 2.5 mL water.
When the syringe plunger is pulled back to 10mL, what is the pressure in the syringe/catheter?

I assume it will change over time as the water evaporates but the test only lasts for 15-30 seconds.

Would the vapor pressure of the water come into play? Would it be 0 mmHg even with H2O present?

Thank you for any information you can provide.
Morgan
 
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15 to 30 sec is certainly long enough for the water vapor pressure to attain its equilibrium value.
 
Thank you for your quick response. Unfortunately, it went to my company "clutter" box so sorry for my delay in replying.

So does that mean we should use 0 mL as initial volume (Vi) and add the vapor pressure of water to the final pressure (Pf) achieved (PiVi=PfVf)?

...or should we use 3.5mL as Vi and add the vapor pressure of water to Pf?

Thanks again.
 
Morgan0415 said:
Thank you for your quick response. Unfortunately, it went to my company "clutter" box so sorry for my delay in replying.

So does that mean we should use 0 mL as initial volume (Vi) and add the vapor pressure of water to the final pressure (Pf) achieved (PiVi=PfVf)?

...or should we use 3.5mL as Vi and add the vapor pressure of water to Pf?

Thanks again.
I'm having trouble understanding your question(s). Would it be possible to provide a diagram (or diagrams). Thanks.
 
I hope this helps. We would like to know what the pressure is in the syringe on the right after the plunger is pulled back to 10mL. Please let me know if more info is needed. Thanks again.
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Total water volume = ~ 3.5mL (1mL in catheter and 2.5mL in 10mL syringe attached to catheter)
 
The pressure will be the equilibrium vapor pressure at the temperature of the liquid.
 
Thank you very much!
 

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