Negative Voltage: What Does It Mean?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of negative voltage, exploring its meaning and implications within electrical circuits. Participants delve into the definitions of voltage, its relative nature, and the challenges of using analogies to explain these concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the concept of negative voltage, questioning how energy or pressure can be negative.
  • One participant explains that the sign convention for voltage indicates that a field from a positive charge is positive, while a field from a negative charge is negative, with negative voltage indicating a potential lower than a reference point, often ground.
  • Another participant emphasizes that voltage is a relative quantity, contrasting it with pressure, which is absolute. They illustrate this with the example of a 9V battery, noting that the voltage at the negative terminal can be viewed as negative relative to the positive terminal.
  • Some participants suggest that using gravitational potential as an analogy for voltage may be more appropriate, as it can also have negative values depending on the reference point chosen.
  • One participant points out that ground is not always the lowest potential in dual power supplies, suggesting that voltage levels can be interpreted differently based on the reference points used.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of analogies like force and pressure, as they have different units and properties compared to voltage, which can lead to misunderstandings.
  • Another participant reiterates that potential difference is a description of the relationship between potentials at two points and emphasizes the importance of specifying reference points when measuring voltage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that voltage is a relative quantity, but there are multiple competing views on the best analogies to use and the implications of negative voltage. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective way to conceptualize these ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the choice of reference point significantly affects the interpretation of voltage, and there are unresolved questions about the appropriateness of various analogies used to explain voltage concepts.

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Ok, I am starting to understand what voltage is. But I'm sort of confused when it comes to negative voltage. I know that voltage is defined as potential energy per unit charge. I understand it as analogous to "pressure". I don't understand what it means to have negative voltage though. How can "pressure" or even energy be negative?
 
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The sign convention for potential (voltage) is positive for a field from a positive charge, and negative for a field from a negative charge. In the case of a circuit, a point on the circuit with negative voltage means the potential is negative compared to a "neutral" ground.
 
Voltage is a relative quantity. Pressure isn't allways a good analogy for voltage because pressure is an absolute quantity.

Consider a 9V battery. The voltage on the +ve terminal is 9V with respect to the -ve terminal. However it's equally true to say that the -ve terminal is at -9V relative to the +ve terminal. You cannot just say that the +ve terminal is at 9V without citing what the reference voltage is.

Frequently we are lazy and don't allways bother to cite what the reference is on circuit diagrams. Sometimes we write a small foot note which says "All voltages are measured with respect to...".

Consider the circuit below.

What is the voltage on Node A relative to node B?
What is the voltage on Node A relative to the 0V node?
What is the voltage on Node B relative to 0V node?

What would you write on the circuit diagram?
 

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CWatters said:
Voltage is a relative quantity. Pressure isn't allways a good analogy for voltage because pressure is an absolute quantity. <snip>

'Gauge pressure' is a relative quantity, so perhaps that quantity is more analogous.
 
A better analogy for voltage using a constant gravity source such as the gravity near the Earth's surface is height. Gravitational potential reasonably near the surface of the Earth equals g h, where g = 9.80665 m / s^2 and h = height in meters. Treating g as constant, the gravitational potential is a function of height. So if an object is above the surface it has positive gravitational potential, and if an object were below the surface such as inside a hole it would have negative gravitational potential. You could also define gravitational potential to be zero at the top of a 100 meter tower, so that gravitational potential equals g (h - 100). This would result in negative potential for h < 100 and positive potential for h > 100.

The units for gravitational potential is joules / kg, while the units for electrical potential (voltage) is joules / coulomb.
 
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As CWatters was pointing out, ground is not always the "least potential" in a dual power supply.

The other way to think about it is if you see something like "+5V, Ground and -5V", it's the same thing as "+10V, +5V, 0V" as far as potentials.
 
Volts and Force / Pressure are risky to use as analogies - for a start, they do not have the same units. Force is a vector and Potential Difference (Volts) has no direction, even if it has a sign.
If you think of the definition of Electrical Potential Difference (Voltage): The energy needed to take a unit positive charge from one place to another. Going from an arbitrary 'ground' or 'earth' point to a positive potential involves putting a Positive amount of energy into the system. Going from ground to a negative potential will involve getting work out or Negative Energy needed.
This is a good demonstration of how a poor analogy can lead you into worse problems than just using the basic definitions.
Potential Difference is only the description of the relationship between the Potentials at two different points. If there are is no 'Earth' label on either terminal of a battery, you will measure Plus Volts or Minus Volts, depending on which way round you connect your meter; it's all relative.
 

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