Neglected solutions to the (free) Dirac equation?

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The discussion revolves around the plane wave solutions to the Dirac equation, particularly focusing on the exclusion of certain solutions that appear to be valid but are said to be neglected due to their behavior as momentum approaches zero. Participants explore the implications of this exclusion and its consistency with relativistic principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Griffiths states the solution e^{-i p \cdot x} v^{(s)} is not allowed because it diverges as three-space momentum approaches zero, questioning the rationale behind neglecting it.
  • Others argue that the existence of a rest frame for a massive particle is essential and that neglecting such solutions seems unphysical and conflicts with special relativity.
  • One participant suggests that the solutions of the Dirac equation may not be consistent with relativity if certain solutions are excluded.
  • Another participant clarifies that positive frequency solutions correspond to particles and negative frequency solutions to antiparticles, emphasizing the importance of ensuring positive energy outcomes.
  • Some express confusion about the criteria for excluding solutions that diverge at zero momentum, seeking further clarification on the reasoning behind this exclusion.
  • It is mentioned that the author lists four independent solutions, and the choice of sign in the energy term is presented as a plausible convention rather than an absolute exclusion.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the sign choice is merely a convention and how it relates to the behavior of solutions as momentum approaches zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity and implications of excluding certain solutions to the Dirac equation, with multiple competing views on the physicality and consistency of these solutions with relativistic principles.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of solutions at zero momentum and the implications of sign choices in the energy terms. The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations and understandings of the Dirac equation's solutions.

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So it is said that a basis for the plane wave solutions to the Dirac equation are of the form (p denotes the four-momentum vector) [itex]e^{-i p \cdot x} u^{(s)}[/itex] (for particles) and [itex]e^{i p \cdot x} v^{(s)}[/itex] (for antiparticles), with s = 1 or 2 (and u and v having predetermined structure).

I'm reading in Griffiths' Introduction to Elementary Particles and there he derives the above, and in doing so he says (p233, on top) that e.g. the solution [itex]e^{-i p \cdot x} v^{(s)}[/itex] isn't allowed since it blows up as the three-space momentum [itex]\mathbf p \to 0[/itex]. However, why is this a sufficient reason to simply neglect the solution? It seems like a valid solution as long as the (three-space) momentum is not zero... And why isn't this state observed?
 
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I don't have Griffiths, but it seems rather unphysical for a rest frame for a massive particle not to exist. It kinda conflicts with SR, etc...
 
True, but then that means the solutions of the Dirac equation aren't consistent with relativity?
 
I don't have Griffiths either, but the page you mention is available on Google books. Positive frequency solutions correspond to particles and negative frequency solutions to antiparticles. All he's saying is that you must choose the sign in Eq. 7.41 so that in both cases the energy comes out positive. E > 0 insures (among other things!) that the denominators E + mc2 in Eq. 7.42 will never be zero, even when the particle is at rest.
 
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I still don't understand on what ground the solution that blows up for [itex]\mathbf p \to 0[/itex] is excluded; maybe it's in your post Bill, in which case I'm not seeing it.
 
He hasn't excluded anything, in Eq 7.42 he lists four independent solutions. It's just that to write them in their final form he had to replace k0 by ±p0, and in each case there was a sign choice to make. He used + for the particle states and - for the antiparticle states so p0 = E always comes out positive.

The only reason he mentions what happens when p → 0 is to make this choice of sign seem plausible.
 
I don't follow exactly what you're saying. It seems like you're implying that the sign business is just a convention? But surely a convention wouldn't have an effect on what would happen for [itex]\mathbf p \to 0[/itex]?
 

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