Neon energy levels in He-Ne laser

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The discussion centers on the energy levels of neon in the context of the He-Ne laser, specifically addressing the transitions between energy states as depicted in energy level diagrams. Participants explore the implications of Paschen notation and the behavior of multi-electron atoms.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the lasing transition in the He-Ne laser occurs from the 3s to the 2p state at 632.8 nm, while questioning the energy level diagram that shows a transition from 2s to 2p, despite the 2s orbital being traditionally understood to have lower energy than 2p.
  • Another participant explains that the notation in the diagram is called Paschen notation, indicating that the "2S" does not refer to a "2s" hydrogen-like wave function, and suggests reviewing the electron configurations associated with these labels.
  • A later reply emphasizes that in multi-electron atoms, traditional electron configurations are approximations, and clarifies that the 2P level corresponds to the outermost 3p electron, while the 2S state corresponds to the outermost 4s electron, which has a higher energy than the 3p electron.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of energy levels and transitions in neon, with some clarifying the notation and others questioning the implications of the energy diagram. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the understanding of these energy levels.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the understanding of electron configurations and the nuances of energy levels in multi-electron atoms, particularly in relation to the He-Ne laser.

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Neon is the lasing element in He-Ne laser. The lasing transition(632.8nm) is from 3s to 2p. In the energy level diagram there is one 1.15μm transition from 2s to 2p. But we studied that 2s orbital have lower energy than 2p then how it is possible, in the energy diagram, 2s level have higher energy than 2p level and one transition of 2s to 2p?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium–neon_laser#mediaviewer/File:Hene-2.png
 
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Anoop MD said:
Neon is the lasing element in He-Ne laser. The lasing transition(632.8nm) is from 3s to 2p. In the energy level diagram there is one 1.15μm transition from 2s to 2p. But we studied that 2s orbital have lower energy than 2p then how it is possible, in the energy diagram, 2s level have higher energy than 2p level and one transition of 2s to 2p?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium–neon_laser#mediaviewer/File:Hene-2.png

The notation in the diagram you reference is called Paschen notation. The labels are numberings of excited states, by energy. The "2S" does not refer to a "2s" hydrogen-like wave fundtion. Look at the reference given on the wikipage for a discussion of what nominal electron configurations correspond to the different Paschen notation labels.

http://archive.today/pwve

Remember too that in multi-electron atoms, the kind of electron configurations that you learn to write as a beginning student (e.g. 1s^2 for He) are all approximations to the truth.
 
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Quantum Defect said:
The notation in the diagram you reference is called Paschen notation. The labels are numberings of excited states, by energy. The "2S" does not refer to a "2s" hydrogen-like wave fundtion. Look at the reference given on the wikipage for a discussion of what nominal electron configurations correspond to the different Paschen notation labels.

http://archive.today/pwve

Remember too that in multi-electron atoms, the kind of electron configurations that you learn to write as a beginning student (e.g. 1s^2 for He) are all approximations to the truth.
Thank you
 
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Anoop MD said:
how it is possible, in the energy diagram, 2s level have higher energy than 2p level and one transition of 2s to 2p?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium–neon_laser#mediaviewer/File:Hene-2.png

Recall that Neon has more than 1 electron: the notation used in the level diagram is a not literally the same as for hydrogen:

http://archive.today/pwve

As you can see, the 2P level corresponds to the outermost 3p electron, while the 2S state corresponds to the outermost 4s electron, which has a higher energy than the 3p electron.
 
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Thank you, now it is in phase with what I learned!
 

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