Net Magnetic Moment on Typical Ferromagnets

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the net magnetic moment per atom of typical ferromagnetic crystals, exploring how this value may differ from that of isolated atoms due to factors like band formation and electron interactions. Participants inquire about specific values and references related to various ferromagnetic materials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the net magnetic moment per atom in ferromagnets, suggesting it may differ from isolated atoms due to band formation and other effects.
  • Another participant confirms that the magnetic moments can vary, providing an example of silver, which is non-magnetic in its metallic form despite having an unpaired electron as an isolated atom.
  • A DFT calculation indicates that the magnetic moment for iron is approximately 2.2 Bohr magnetons, with a discussion on how band formation affects magnetic moments depending on the localization of orbitals.
  • Participants express interest in cobalt and alloys, seeking tabulated references for magnetic moments of various materials.
  • One participant mentions that the experimental value for iron's magnetic moment is lower than the DFT calculation, suggesting it is around 0.8 Bohr magnetons, but does not provide a general reference for such values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the net magnetic moment can differ from that of isolated atoms, but there is no consensus on specific values or a comprehensive reference for various materials.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the availability of databases for solid-state magnetic moments compared to isolated atoms, and the specific conditions under which the values may vary are not fully resolved.

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What is the "net" magnetic moment per atom of a typical ferromagnet crystal ? I suspect the number will be different from those of "isolated" atoms because of band formation and spilling...
But I am not very sure, this could be wrong.

Is it 1 Bohr magneton per atom, 10 , 50 more ?

Do you have any ball park numbers on this or references?
 
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Yes, they definitely can be different. A trivial example is Ag, which has a single unpaired electron in an isolated atom, but as metallic silver it is non-magnetic.

I don't know the experimental value, but from a DFT calculation the moment for Fe is 2.2[tex]\mu_B[/tex]. In general, band formation (kinetic energy) competes with moment formation (exchange energy), so more localized orbitals (3d, 4f) tend to have narrower bandwidths and larger moments than less localized ones (4d, 5f).

For lanthanides, because the 4f states form very narrow bands, the 4f moment is about the same as the 4f moment for an isolated atom. IIRC this is true too for late actinides, past Am.
 
I see...What about Cobalt and other alloys? Is there a tabulated reference where I can look all these up?

Thank you for the enlightening response,
 
I don't know, I only know the iron value because I recently did the calculation myself. Isolated atoms are pretty well characterized in any of the periodic table websites around the web, but I don't know of any similar database for solids.
 
kanato said:
Yes, they definitely can be different. A trivial example is Ag, which has a single unpaired electron in an isolated atom, but as metallic silver it is non-magnetic.

I don't know the experimental value,
Turns out that it's a good deal lower than the DFT calculation. Around 0.8 Bohr magnetons, I think. Which is strange. Sorry, OP I don't know of a good general reference. Cheers,

Adam

but from a DFT calculation the moment for Fe is 2.2[tex]\mu_B[/tex]. In general, band formation (kinetic energy) competes with moment formation (exchange energy), so more localized orbitals (3d, 4f) tend to have narrower bandwidths and larger moments than less localized ones (4d, 5f).

For lanthanides, because the 4f states form very narrow bands, the 4f moment is about the same as the 4f moment for an isolated atom. IIRC this is true too for late actinides, past Am.
 

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