Newtonian mechanics VS. variational principles

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The discussion centers on the comparison between Newtonian mechanics and variational principles, specifically Lagrangian and Hamiltonian dynamics. It establishes that Newtonian mechanics directly formulates the equation of motion as \(\dot{\textbf{p}}=\textbf{F}\), while variational principles derive equations of motion from energy functions. Participants agree that Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics are fundamentally similar, with Hamiltonian dynamics being more foundational. A request for textbook references highlights the need for further reading on these concepts.

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  • Understanding of Newtonian mechanics, specifically the equation \(\dot{\textbf{p}}=\textbf{F}\)
  • Familiarity with Lagrangian mechanics and its principles
  • Knowledge of Hamiltonian dynamics and its foundational role in physics
  • Basic grasp of variational principles in classical mechanics
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  • Study "Classical Mechanics" by Herbert Goldstein for a comprehensive overview of Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics
  • Explore variational calculus to understand the mathematical foundation of variational principles
  • Learn about the applications of Hamiltonian dynamics in modern physics
  • Investigate the differences and similarities between Lagrangian and Newtonian mechanics through problem-solving
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Basically, there are two mechanical approaches to describe a particle: (a) the variational principles (e.g., the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian ones) and (b) the Newtonian approach. The former approaches in principle deal with the determination of an equation of motion from a function of energy terms. In contrast to these methods, in the Newtonian approach the equation of motion \dot{\textbf{p}}=\textbf{F} of a particle is established directly, where \textbf{F} is the force on the particle and \dot{\textbf{p}} is the particle's change in momentum, also called resulting force. From this equation we can then derive several parameters, e.g., the energy terms of the particle.
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My understanding is that Lagrangian and Newtonian dynamics are very close to each other, Lagrangian just uses the fact that internal forces of the system don't affect the motion. Hamiltonian dynamics, based on the principle of variation, is something much more fundamental than the other two.
 
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Could you give a reference to a textbook? I thought that Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics are in principle the same and both are variational principles.
 

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