Newton's Law of Gravitation Feynman Lectures

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Newton's Law of Gravitation as presented in the Feynman Lectures, specifically focusing on the concept of a projectile (bullet) achieving a tangential velocity sufficient to maintain a circular orbit around the Earth. Participants explore the calculations involved in determining the necessary speed for the bullet to travel in a curve around the Earth's surface, considering the effects of gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Mark expresses confusion regarding the geometric approach used in the Feynman Lectures to determine the speed needed for a bullet to travel in a circular path around the Earth.
  • Gnosis explains that a projectile must achieve a specific tangential velocity to counteract gravitational pull, allowing it to maintain an indefinite circular orbit without escaping the gravitational field.
  • Gnosis provides two equations to calculate the required orbital velocity: one based on gravitational force and another using centripetal force, both yielding a velocity of approximately 7,905.7 m/s.
  • Mark acknowledges Gnosis's response but does not provide further questions or clarifications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the approach to the problem, as Mark's initial confusion about the geometric method remains unaddressed in terms of resolution. The discussion includes differing perspectives on the calculations and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Mark's question includes assumptions about the radius of the Earth and the acceleration due to gravity, which may not align with standard values used in Gnosis's calculations. The discussion does not resolve these discrepancies.

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Hi all,
I've been reading the Feynman Lectures on Physics and I've stumbled on something. I understand the theory but not how they arrived at the answer. It's to do with firing a bullet from a gun and working out the speed it would need to travel in a curve around the Earth's surface in order to be at the same height that it started out. They prove it using plane geometry which has confused me because as far as I understand it the bullet would need to travel in an arc for which ultimately the equation will need an angle. The answer is about 5 miles a second. Please can someone explain to me how they would approach this problem assuming that the raduis of the Earth is 4000miles and the an object will fall 16ft/sec under the influence of gravity?

Thanks
Mark
 
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If you accelerate a projectile to the appropriate tangential velocity, it will possesses insufficient velocity to escape the gravitational field just as it will be a velocity too great to allow the projectile’s descent to the planet’s surface. The projectile’s tangential velocity per second is just sufficient to counter the projectile’s rate of vertical free-fall descent per second per the rate of gravitational attraction at the given radius thereby allowing the projectile to maintain an indefinite circular orbit (assuming no frictional losses).

The following yields the velocity (v) required to orbit per a given radius (r) and a given heavenly body’s Mass (M), with ‘G’ being the Gravitational constant, 6.67e-11:

v = sqrt(GM / r)

sqrt(6.67e-11 * 5.976e+24 kg) / 6,377,569.11 meters) = 7,905.7 m/s

Or, you could apply Newton’s Centripetal Force. The earth’s gravitational acceleration (a) at its surface is 9.8 m/s^2. Applying the same Earth radius (r) of 6,377,569.11 meters, we derive a required tangential velocity (v) of:

v^2 = ar

Hence, the required tangential orbital velocity (v) is,

v = sqrt(ar)

sqrt(9.8 m/s^2 * 6,377,569.11 meters) = 7,905.7 m/s

I applied precision numerical values to demonstrate the interchangeable precision of the two equations. I hope you found this helpful.
 
Hi Gnosis
Thanks for the response. Only just had the chance to look at it.
Mark
 
MarkFarrell82 said:
Hi Gnosis
Thanks for the response. Only just had the chance to look at it.
Mark

It was my pleasure, Mark.
 

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