Newton’s laws of motion -- Does the 1st Law presuppose the 2nd Law?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Newton's first and second laws of motion, specifically questioning whether the first law is necessary if the second law is already accepted as valid.

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  • Participants explore the implications of Newton's laws, particularly how the first law might be viewed in light of the second law's validity. One participant presents a scenario involving circular motion to illustrate potential limitations of the second law alone.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the foundational aspects of Newton's laws and how they interrelate. Some guidance has been offered in the form of examples, but no consensus has been reached.

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Is Newton‘s first law of motion necessary supposing that we already know that Newton‘s second law of motion is valid?
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feesicksman said:
Homework Statement: Is Newton‘s first law of motion necessary supposing that we already know that Newton‘s second law of motion is valid?
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Consider a mass at the end of a string moving in a circle at constant speed on a horizontal frictionless plane. At some point the string is cut. After the string is cut, the second law says$$0 = 0$$ which is not very useful for describing the motion of the mass.
 
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