No Electromagnetic Force in Moving Magnet & Solenoid

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The discussion centers on the interaction between a moving magnet and a solenoid, specifically addressing the absence of a net electromagnetic force (Laplace force) despite current flow. Participants clarify that while induced voltage and current exist, the forces on the solenoid windings cancel each other out due to the circular nature of the coil. They assert that a net force does exist when considering the overall electromagnetic interactions, particularly when a magnet approaches the solenoid. The conversation emphasizes the relationship between magnetic fields, induced currents, and the resulting forces, grounded in Maxwell's equations.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Maxwell's equations
  • Familiarity with electromagnetic force (Laplace force)
  • Knowledge of induced electromotive force (emf) and current
  • Basic concepts of solenoids and magnetic fields
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the application of Maxwell's equations in electromagnetic systems
  • Explore the principles of induced emf and its effects on current flow
  • Investigate the behavior of solenoids in varying magnetic fields
  • Learn about the relationship between current, magnetic fields, and forces in conductors
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Physics students, electrical engineers, and anyone interested in the principles of electromagnetism and the behavior of solenoids in magnetic fields.

  • #31
brainyman89 said:
if we have a solenoid suspended freely and no current is traversing it, and we approach a magnet toward it, would it repel or rotate?
That is a good question, I guess it would depend on the exact geometry, but I don't know for sure.

brainyman89 said:
can we consider a solenoid totally as a bar magnet when a current traverses it??
The magnetic field of a solenoid is very similar in shape to the magnetic field of a bar magnet, but I don't know what you mean by "totally".

brainyman89 said:
my another question is: when we are providing a wire, u r considering that we are providing current, this is confusing me there is a wide difference between a wire and a current?
Yes, there is a wide difference between a wire and a current. However, in all of your examples so far you have a changing flux in a circuit and therefore an emf and therefore a current in the wire. If you made a different example then I would answer differently, but so far you have only made examples of wires with currents.
 
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  • #32
You provided B and a means of determining I (wire/resistor geometry and composition) using Maxwell's equations. From B and I you obtain f. You provided both B and I, although the I is hidden:

Did u mean in this statement that providing variable B equals providing B and I (i.e variation=current), hence i will get B and I thus producing F.
 
  • #33
brainyman89 said:
Did u mean in this statement that providing variable B equals providing B and I (i.e variation=current), hence i will get B and I thus producing F.
Essentially, but I would have said "providing variable B and wire/resistor geometry equals providing B and I".
 

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