No epsilon or mu factor in the equations

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The discussion revolves around the implications of using Gaussian units in electromagnetism, particularly the absence of epsilon and mu factors in equations. Participants explore the relationship between electric displacement (D) and electric field (E) in different media, and the challenges that arise when transitioning between unit systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the absence of epsilon and mu in Gaussian units, suggesting that this leads to the erroneous conclusion that charges can be created or eliminated by changing media.
  • Another participant questions the assertion that esu must be medium dependent, explaining that in Gaussian units, D and E are related through a dimensionless epsilon, which represents the permittivity of the material.
  • A third participant clarifies that while relative permittivity and permeability are retained, the vacuum constants are omitted, which complicates the analysis when considering arbitrary media.
  • A side comment is made regarding the thread title, suggesting it could be more descriptive to avoid confusion with other Gaussian-related topics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of the absence of epsilon and mu in Gaussian units, with some expressing confusion and others providing clarifications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of these units and their practical implications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between permittivity and permeability in different unit systems, as well as the challenges in transitioning between Gaussian and MKS systems.

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I seem to have a silly problem.In Gaussian units, there's no epsilon or mu factor in the equations, so esu must be medium dependent.Now if this is true, then I can "produce" or make "vanish" charges just by switching between media which obviously isn't true.So the mistake?
 
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"so esu must be medium dependent" Why?
In Gaussian units, D and E in a medium are related by D=\epsilon E.
This epsilon is called the permittivity of the material.
It is dimensionless, and is equal to the "dielectric constant" in SI.
There just is no 4piepsilonzero or muzero/4pi, since free space has unit permittivity and permeability.
 


To clarify on clem's statements, we still retain the relative permittivity and permeability factors and drop the vacuum constants in favor of c (which sometimes can be also set to unity in some units). I find it a bit annoying myself because we often have the habit of assuming vacuum in our problems and thus drop out the appearance of \epsilon and \mu all together since they are now unity. However, this is annoying when you want to look at the problem in an arbtrary homogeneous medium because now you have removed the relationship with the permeability and permittivity from the final solution. So sometimes converting back from Gaussian to MKS can be difficult.
 


As an aside, you might consider making your thread titles a wee bit more descriptive. When I saw "Gaussian", I though you might be asking about Gaussian probability distributions or Gaussian wave packets or some such thing. :smile:
 

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