Nobel Prize in Physics for Relativity?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons why Albert Einstein did not receive a Nobel Prize specifically for his theories of relativity, as well as whether any other scientists have been awarded the Nobel Prize for contributions related to relativity. The scope includes historical context, philosophical implications, and the criteria for Nobel Prize awards in theoretical physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Einstein received the Nobel Prize for the photoelectric effect, which may implicitly include relativity, but the committee did not explicitly state this.
  • There is a suggestion that the Nobel committee may have reservations about awarding prizes for theories not firmly confirmed by experiments, particularly regarding general relativity (GR) during Einstein's lifetime.
  • One participant mentions that while special relativity (SR) had some early confirmations, they were not conclusive, and GR was largely untested until after Einstein's death.
  • Another participant highlights that tests of GR began in 1959, long after Einstein had passed, and that earlier empirical foundations for GR were not solid at its introduction.
  • Some participants express skepticism about whether the Nobel committee still holds reservations about relativity or if political factors influence award decisions.
  • It is noted that no other scientist has been awarded a Nobel Prize specifically for relativity, with some suggesting that prizes are given for specific advances that assume relativity is correct.
  • Several participants mention that many Nobel Prizes have been awarded for advancements in relativistic quantum field theory and general relativity, but not for relativity itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Einstein did not receive a Nobel Prize specifically for relativity, and that no other scientist has been awarded for relativity either. However, there are multiple competing views regarding the reasons behind this, including the committee's reservations and the nature of the awards given for related fields.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the historical context of the Nobel Prize and its criteria for awarding are based on interpretations of committee decisions and philosophical debates surrounding relativity, which remain unresolved.

Deepak K Kapur
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Why didn't Einstein get Nobel Prize for ' Relativity'

Has anyone else been awarded Nobel Prize for 'Relativity'?
 
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Einstein received the Nobel prize for "his contributions to theoretical physics, in particular the photoelectric effect". Supposedly this included relativity, but the Nobel committee did not spell this out. Likely because some members had reservations about this.
 
One possible reason was that there is in unofficial "rule" that you can not get the prize for theories that have not been very firmly confirmed by experiments. The SR was sort of confirmed early on (although I as far as I understand the early measurements were not -in reality- actually conclusive) but I don't think GR was really tested during his lifetime.
Hence. I guess they thought that the prize he had already been awarded "covered" SR as well as the photoelectric effect (as well as his contributions to statistical physics and thermodynamics)
 
f95toli said:
The SR was sort of confirmed early on (although I as far as I understand the early measurements were not -in reality- actually conclusive) but I don't think GR was really tested during his lifetime.
Some aspects of GR had been tested. According the following Wikipedia article, tests of sufficient precision were performed beginning in 1959, after Einstein had died (1955).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity
At its introduction in 1915, the general theory of relativity did not have a solid empirical foundation. It was known that it correctly accounted for the "anomalous" precession of the perihelion of Mercury and on philosophical grounds it was considered satisfying that it was able to unify Newton's law of universal gravitation with special relativity. That light appeared to bend in gravitational fields in line with the predictions of general relativity was found in 1919 but it was not until a program of precision tests was started in 1959 that the various predictions of general relativity were tested to any further degree of accuracy in the weak gravitational field limit, severely limiting possible deviations from the theory. Beginning in 1974, Hulse, Taylor and others have studied the behaviour of binary pulsars experiencing much stronger gravitational fields than those found in the Solar System. Both in the weak field limit (as in the Solar System) and with the stronger fields present in systems of binary pulsars the predictions of general relativity have been extremely well tested locally.

in 1919, Einstein wrote a letter to The Times of London in which he thanked "English colleagues for their interest in understanding and testing his work."
http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/EDU_Einstein_ENGLISH.pdf
 
I think no other scientist has been awarded Nobel in the field of relativity.

Do Nobel award givers still have some reservations about relativity or something political is going on?
 
Deepak K Kapur said:
I think no other scientist has been awarded Nobel in the field of relativity.

Do Nobel award givers still have some reservations about relativity or something political is going on?
Others have answered that Einstein was awarded a Nobel Prize for his contributions in physics. Ostensibly, that included Special Relativity. See the prize announcement below. Einstein's services included his theories of Special Relativity and General Relativity.
The Nobel Prize in Physics 1921 was awarded to Albert Einstein "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect".
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1921/

However, the subject of relativity seems to have been minimized in the award speech.

Presentation Speech by Professor S. Arrhenius, Chairman of the Nobel Committee for Physics of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, on December 10, 1922.

Your Majesty, Your Royal Highnesses, Ladies and Gentlemen.

There is probably no physicist living today whose name has become so widely known as that of Albert Einstein. Most discussion centres on his theory of relativity. This pertains essentially to epistemology and has therefore been the subject of lively debate in philosophical circles. It will be no secret that the famous philosopher Bergson in Paris has challenged this theory, while other philosophers have acclaimed it wholeheartedly. The theory in question also has astrophysical implications which are being rigorously examined at the present time.
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1921/press.html

Why does one think that Einstein or anyone else should be awarded a Nobel Prize for Relativity?

The Nobel Prize is not awarded posthumously. If any physicist was to be awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics, specifically for Relativity, then it would have been Einstein. So no living physicist will be awarded a Nobel Prize specifically for 'Relativity'.

Einstein gave his Nobel Lecture on the Fundamental Ideas and Problems of the Theory of Relativity
Lecture delivered to the Nordic Assembly of Naturalists at Gothenburg, July 11, 1923

Fundamental Ideas and Problems of the Theory of Relativity
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1921/einstein-lecture.html
 
Deepak K Kapur said:
I think no other scientist has been awarded Nobel in the field of relativity.

Do Nobel award givers still have some reservations about relativity or something political is going on?

Relativity has been so long accepted, that one doesn't get prizes for relativity per se, rather some specific advances in which relativity is assumed to be correct.

Many of the prizes have been for relativistic quantum field theory, including those to Tomonaga, Feynman and Schwinger; Glashow, Salam and Weinberg; 't Hooft and Veltman; Gross, Politzer and Wilczek.

Prizes in general relativity include those to Taylor and Hulse; Perlmutter, Riess and Schmidt.
 

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