Noether currents associated with diffeomorphism invariance

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The discussion centers on the Noether currents associated with diffeomorphism invariance in the context of curved spacetime. Participants explore the implications of this invariance for conservation laws, the energy-momentum tensor, and related symmetries, including boosts and the Galilei group.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the Noether currents guaranteed by diffeomorphism invariance and whether the energy-momentum tensor qualifies as such.
  • Others raise questions about the Noether current associated with boosts, seeking clarification on its relationship to diffeomorphism invariance.
  • One participant discusses the implications of a Lagrangian transforming as a total derivative on the Noether current, suggesting it may introduce a central charge in the symmetry algebra.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the conservation laws derived from diffeomorphism invariance are linked to the twice contracted Bianchi identities and that the gravitational energy-momentum pseudotensor complicates the separation of conservation laws for matter and gravitational fields.
  • Some participants express differing views on the correctness of claims regarding the covariant conservation of energy-momentum and its derivation from diffeomorphism invariance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the implications of diffeomorphism invariance for conservation laws and the nature of Noether currents. There is no consensus on the correctness of specific claims regarding the energy-momentum tensor and its relationship to diffeomorphism invariance.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about the nature of the gravitational field and the definitions of the energy-momentum tensor and pseudotensor. The discussion reflects the complexities and nuances of the topic, particularly in the context of nonlinear theories.

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Having some generic curved spacetime, what are the Noether currents that are guaranteed to exist by diffeomorphism invariance? Is the energy-momentum tensor such a current?
 
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I wanted to bump this since I have a similar question. Poincare symmetry includes spacetime translations (energy and momentum), spatial rotations (angular momentum), and boosts. What is the Noether current associated with symmetry under boosts?
 
Yeah, right, but this is clear to me.
I'm asking more generally, if you have just diffeomorphism invariance, do you always have some associated currents/charges?
 
GargleBlast42 said:
Having some generic curved spacetime, what are the Noether currents that are guaranteed to exist by diffeomorphism invariance? Is the energy-momentum tensor such a current?

Like local gauge invariance, diffeomorphism invariance of the action integral is the subject of the 2nd Noether theorem. The conservation statements of this theorem are nothing but the twice contracted Bianchi identities. However, one can use the (gravitational) field equations to obtain “genuine” conservation laws from the twice contracted Bianchi identities. That is;

[tex]\partial_{a}(T^{ab} + t^{ab}) = 0[/tex]

where [itex]t^{ab}[/itex] is the gravitational energy-momentum pseudotensor. It follows from this that (in curved spacetime) neither matter nor gravitational fields obey separate conservation laws. Also, it is a mistake to associate [itex]T^{ab}[/itex] solely with the matter field and [itex]t^{ab}[/itex] with the “pure” gravitational field, because the theory is highly nonlinear; the T depends on the metric (geometry) as well as the matter field quantities, and the t depends on the matter distribution through the metric. Further complications come from the fact that t is a frame dependent (non covariant) object.

An excellent, possibly the best (old) survey article discussing Noether theorems and conservation laws in curved spacetime is given by A.Trautman, “Foundations and Current Problems of General Relativity”, In Gravitation: An Introduction to Current Research, Ed, L. Witten, John Wiley & Sons Inc. N.Y.

Regards

sam
 
I have a related question.

I have an action which is invariant under a certain symmetry group, but the Lagrangian transforms as a total derivative. I get the feeling that this changes my Noether current, but because the Noether charges obey the symmetry algebra I would suspect that such a "Lagrangian transforming as a total derivative" introduces some sort of a central charge in my symmetry algebra.

Is this true, and where could I find some information about these things?
 
By the way, a nice article to read here is "Black hole entropy is Noether charge" by Robert Wald, where the Noether charge of diffeomorphism invariance is coupled to the entropy of stationary black holes.
 
I found the answer on my own question. It's about the Galilei group :)

The action of a free, nonrelativistic particle is invariant under the Galilei group, but its Lagrangian is not; it changes by a total derivative. Thus the corresponding Noether charge has to be adjusted. As such the Poisson brackets of the Noether charges will change; if you now calculate the Poisson bracket of the Noether charges corresponding to spatial translations and boosts a central element will appear.

And because the algebra of the Poisson brackets of the Noether charges is isomorphic to the algebra of the global symmetry group, this central element will also pop up in the commutator of boosts and translations.
 
samalkhaiat said:
Like local gauge invariance, diffeomorphism invariance of the action integral is the subject of the 2nd Noether theorem. The conservation statements of this theorem are nothing but the twice contracted Bianchi identities. However, one can use the (gravitational) field equations to obtain “genuine” conservation laws from the twice contracted Bianchi identities. That is;

[tex]\partial_{a}(T^{ab} + t^{ab}) = 0[/tex]

where [itex]t^{ab}[/itex] is the gravitational energy-momentum pseudotensor. It follows from this that (in curved spacetime) neither matter nor gravitational fields obey separate conservation laws. Also, it is a mistake to associate [itex]T^{ab}[/itex] solely with the matter field and [itex]t^{ab}[/itex] with the “pure” gravitational field, because the theory is highly nonlinear; the T depends on the metric (geometry) as well as the matter field quantities, and the t depends on the matter distribution through the metric. Further complications come from the fact that t is a frame dependent (non covariant) object.

An excellent, possibly the best (old) survey article discussing Noether theorems and conservation laws in curved spacetime is given by A.Trautman, “Foundations and Current Problems of General Relativity”, In Gravitation: An Introduction to Current Research, Ed, L. Witten, John Wiley & Sons Inc. N.Y.

Regards

sam

I don't believe this is correct. The covariant conservation of energy-momentum for any field theory follows directly from diffeomorphism invariance of the matter action. The twice contracted Bianchi identity follows from diffeomorphism invariance of the kinetic term in the Einstein Hilbert action.
 

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