Noise Margins & Gain Homework Help

  • Thread starter Thread starter DODGEVIPER13
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Gain Noise
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding noise margins and gain terminology in the context of digital circuits, specifically related to homework problems from a tutorial. Participants seek clarification on how to interpret graphs and extract relevant voltage levels from them.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of gain and how to interpret it from a graph, questioning how to read gain and identify voltage levels (Vol, Vil, Vih, Voh).
  • Another participant suggests that noise can originate from various electrical components and questions how to determine noise margins from a graph without additional information.
  • A different participant proposes that gain may be represented as the slope between points on a graph, indicating that a gain greater than 1 is desirable.
  • One participant provides a definition of noise margin in digital circuits, explaining the relationship between Vol, Vil, Vih, and Voh, and emphasizes the importance of sufficient drive voltage to prevent false tripping due to noise.
  • Participants inquire about any further insights or understanding regarding the concepts discussed, indicating ongoing uncertainty.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various levels of understanding and confusion regarding noise margins and gain, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of these concepts or their application to the homework problems.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided specific equations or detailed methodologies for analyzing the graphs, leading to potential gaps in understanding how to apply the concepts of gain and noise margins effectively.

DODGEVIPER13
Messages
668
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


I really need help with them all but I mostly have a question over the problems with noise margins or gain terminology. The problems are located here on tutorial problems under the digital abstraction it is the second one under tutorial problems. The problems can be found here http://6004.mit.edu/ To be specific To limit my needs problem 1.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea what gain means, I know that to be a combination all device it must be gain>1 but what does this mean in terms of a graph. in other words how do I read gain by looking at a chart. Also how do I find Vol, Vil, Vih, Voh just by looking at the chart? Also what does noise margins mean exactly?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Well I guess noise can come from any electrical device such as resistors, inductors, or capacitors that can modify a waveform? And the noise margins must be the shift from that but how can I see these as the guys at MIT did without having that info but just by simply observing the graph?
 
Ah gain must be the slope between points if it only goes 1 between each point then it doesn't have enough if it goes at least 2 or something then it is gain>1
 
DODGEVIPER13 said:

Homework Statement


I really need help with them all but I mostly have a question over the problems with noise margins or gain terminology. The problems are located here on tutorial problems under the digital abstraction it is the second one under tutorial problems. The problems can be found here http://6004.mit.edu/ To be specific To limit my needs problem 1.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea what gain means, I know that to be a combination all device it must be gain>1 but what does this mean in terms of a graph. in other words how do I read gain by looking at a chart. Also how do I find Vol, Vil, Vih, Voh just by looking at the chart? Also what does noise margins mean exactly?

Noise margin in digital circuits is afforded by Vol < Vil and Voh > Vih. So even when you have some noise present in the logic lines, there is sufficient drive voltage to drive the inputs of the next gate far enough so that the noise does not cause false tripping.

The gain is indeed the slope of the Vo vs. Vi graph. You prefer to have a high gain, to help the switching of the gate to occur quickly.

Have you gotten any more insights into Vol, Voh, Vil, Vih since posting this a couple days ago?
 
No and thanks for the response
 
DODGEVIPER13 said:
No and thanks for the response

Why? No more insights? Haven't been doing any more reading or studying? Do you have specific follow-up questions?
 
I have been looking at other things because I didnt understand it? I do still wonder how they came up with those though, I just simply forgot about it because it had been so long.
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
9K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
5K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
4K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
11K