Non-Dimensional Accretion Rate λ: Overview and Questions

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The discussion revolves around the non-dimensional accretion rate, λ, as defined in the context of hydrodynamic spherical accretion. Participants are exploring its significance, derivation, and practical applications, as well as addressing specific technical challenges related to numerical solutions and graphing results.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the necessity and utility of the non-dimensional accretion rate λ, seeking clarification on its purpose.
  • There are inquiries about the derivation of λ and whether anyone has successfully performed it independently.
  • One participant references a specific chapter in a book to seek help with reproducing a graph related to the accretion process, indicating a theoretical understanding but practical difficulties.
  • Another participant highlights that Bondi's original paper indicates the existence of a free parameter λ due to non-uniqueness in steady state solutions for spherically symmetric accretion, noting the maximum value λ=λ_c and its implications for accretion rates.
  • Concerns are raised about numerical solutions attempted in Mathematica, with specific issues related to initial conditions and discrepancies in expected results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement regarding the significance of λ and its derivation. There is no consensus on the best approach to solving the numerical problems presented, indicating ongoing uncertainty and exploration.

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Participants mention specific equations and conditions related to the accretion process, but there are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions that may affect the discussion.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying astrophysics, particularly in the areas of accretion processes, numerical methods in fluid dynamics, and theoretical modeling of astrophysical phenomena.

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Hello, I have question about "so called" non-dimensional accretion rate, mostly known as λ. In Shapiro,Teukolsky 14.3. is made an overview but, λ is just defined, but I don't know why? Why do we need it? What is good for?
 
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I have another problem with derivation of this accretion. Somebody who did it by his self and understand all?
 
Vrbic, can you give a link to a reference for what you are talking about?
 
From Press, Teukolsky - Black holes, white dwarfs and neutron stars. Chapter 14.3. Hydrodynamic spherical accretion. I would like to recalculate all and produce same graph ( u/a vs. r) as is there. Theoretically, I understand all they did, but I have problem with the graph. From which eq. and how exactly solve it.
Thank you for reply.
 
Unfortunately I don't have that book. Someone else here might, or you could try to post the particular equations you are concerned about.
 
Bondi's original paper (http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1952MNRAS.112..195B&data_type=PDF_HIGH&whole_paper=YES&type=PRINTER&filetype=.pdf ) investigates steady state solutions for spherically symmetric accretion (e.g. ρ(r), v(r) not changing with time). It turns out that there is not a unique solution to this problem, and you are left with this free parameter λ. However, there is a maximum value of λ=λ_c, above which no solution is possible. λ=0 gives the lowest accretion rate (all the gas is at rest, so 0) and λ_c gives the maximum rate. Values near λ_c are expected for the flow, since nothing is stopping the gas from falling in. The values in the table in your book are for λ_c, and are near unity.
 
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Calion said:
Bondi's original paper (http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1952MNRAS.112..195B&data_type=PDF_HIGH&whole_paper=YES&type=PRINTER&filetype=.pdf ) investigates steady state solutions for spherically symmetric accretion (e.g. ρ(r), v(r) not changing with time). It turns out that there is not a unique solution to this problem, and you are left with this free parameter λ. However, there is a maximum value of λ=λ_c, above which no solution is possible. λ=0 gives the lowest accretion rate (all the gas is at rest, so 0) and λ_c gives the maximum rate. Values near λ_c are expected for the flow, since nothing is stopping the gas from falling in. The values in the table in your book are for λ_c, and are near unity.
Thank you very much for nice explanations. If I may I have another but technical query. I've tried to solve this problem numerically by Wolfram Mathematica. I led the book of Shapiro, Teukolsky (upper link) and used NSolve function with initial condition in critical point (sound barrier point - rs): a(rs)=u(rs) and u(rs)= us, where us is value of u(r) in sonic point coming from condition of smoothness of u'(r) in sonic point. But it diverges in initial point. Where should be problem? In initial conditions or in method used by Mathematica? If I tried some initial conditions in infinity (u(1000rs)=1/1000-initial velocity is going to zero) it solved something but a(r) - sonic speed in the matter was for example negative or other discrepancy. Do you have any comments or something like that?
 
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