Is the Pole at u=2 Integrable?

In summary, the conversation is discussing whether the given function is integrable and if it has a pole at u=2. The speaker questions if the pole is integrable and asks for help in finding the required coordinate transform. The expert summarizes that the function is integrable in the Cauchy Principal-Value sense and explains the process of taking limits to compute the integral. The conversation also discusses a modified version of the function and its convergence under the Cauchy Principal-Value.
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Hi All,

I am wondering if the function below is Integrable:

$$\frac{\exp{(-\frac{1}{2}(u-2)^2-2u^2)}}{u-2}$$

When I work it out on computer, the integral is finite from -Inf to Inf. But clearly it has a pole at u=2. Is this pole integrable? If yes, what kind of coordinate transform is required?

Any help is appreciated!
 
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junt said:
Hi All,

I am wondering if the function below is Integrable:

$$\frac{\exp{(-\frac{1}{2}(u-2)^2-2u^2)}}{u-2}$$

When I work it out on computer, the integral is finite from -Inf to Inf. But clearly it has a pole at u=2. Is this pole integrable? If yes, what kind of coordinate transform is required?

Any help is appreciated!
in the vicinity of u=2, the numerator is bounded away from zero. The integral from 2-ε to 2 is -∞, while that from 2 to 2+ε is +∞. Trying to integrate through u=2 might effectively cancel these, leading to an apparently valid result, but it is not valid. -∞+∞ is undefined.
 
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junt said:
Hi All,

I am wondering if the function below is Integrable:

$$\frac{\exp{(-\frac{1}{2}(u-2)^2-2u^2)}}{u-2}$$

When I work it out on computer, the integral is finite from -Inf to Inf. But clearly it has a pole at u=2. Is this pole integrable? If yes, what kind of coordinate transform is required?

Any help is appreciated!

It is integrable in the Cauchy Principal-Value sense: We take limits:

##\displaystyle\lim_{\epsilon\to 0} \big\{\int_{-\infty}^{2-\epsilon} f(u)du+\int_{2+\epsilon}^{\infty}f(u)du\big\}##

We can numerically compute it in Mathematica:
Code:
In[104]:=
NIntegrate[Exp[(-2^(-1))*(u - 2)^2 - 2*u^2]/(u - 2), {u, -Infinity, 2, Infinity}, Method -> PrincipalValue]

Out[104]=
-0.15723961536751363
 
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aheight said:
It is integrable in the Cauchy Principal-Value sense: We take limits:

##\displaystyle\lim_{\epsilon\to 0} \big\{\int_{-\infty}^{2-\epsilon} f(u)du+\int_{2+\epsilon}^{\infty}f(u)du\big\}##

We can numerically compute it in Mathematica:
Code:
In[104]:=
NIntegrate[Exp[(-2^(-1))*(u - 2)^2 - 2*u^2]/(u - 2), {u, -Infinity, 2, Infinity}, Method -> PrincipalValue]

Out[104]=
-0.15723961536751363
That looks totally good. But when I modify my Integrand with different parameters, the same Integral doesn't seem to be Integrable under Cauchy Principal-Value. For instance:

$$2\frac{\exp{(-\frac{1}{4}(-2+u)^2-u^2)}}{|u-2|}$$

This integral doesn't converge in mathematica. Why is it so?

Code:
In[104]:=
NIntegrate[2 Exp[-1/4*(u - 2)^2 - u^2]/Abs[(u - 2)], {u, -Infinity, 2, Infinity}, Method -> PrincipalValue]

Says failed to converge. Isn't it the same type of integral as my original post. I just changed some parameters.

One more thing, I originally had forgotten the absolute value on the denominator. So now, it looks like even my original integrand doesn't converge when I force my denominator to be positive.
 
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aheight said:
It is integrable in the Cauchy Principal-Value sense: We take limits:

##\displaystyle\lim_{\epsilon\to 0} \big\{\int_{-\infty}^{2-\epsilon} f(u)du+\int_{2+\epsilon}^{\infty}f(u)du\big\}##
Sure, but I find that very unconvincing. If you change one of the limits to 2-2ε it doesn't converge (does it?)
 
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haruspex said:
Sure, but I find that very unconvincing. If you change one of the limits to 2-2ε it doesn't converge (does it?)
It's related to the contour integral of the analytic function and its residue, which is much less arbitrary.
 
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junt said:
That looks totally good. But when I modify my Integrand with different parameters, the same Integral doesn't seem to be Integrable under Cauchy Principal-Value. For instance:

$$2\frac{\exp{(-\frac{1}{4}(-2+u)^2-u^2)}}{|u-2|}$$

This integral doesn't converge in mathematica. Why is it so?

First, realize we are basically looking at a variant of ##\frac{1}{u}##. Basically. And we can integrate this in the principal value sense:

##\text{P.V.} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} 1/u du=0##

That's because the infinities cancel when taking "symmetric limits" ( as ##\epsilon\to 0##). However, when we take the absolute values, the infinities DO NOT cancel.

Edit: Maybe not exactly a variant of 1/u but I think the two are similar qualitatively and looking at 1/u is easier to visualize and easier to understand.
 
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