Non-linear first order ODE: Solving with Exact Form

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The discussion revolves around solving a non-linear first order ordinary differential equation (ODE) of the form ydx + (e^x/y - 1)dy = 0. Participants are exploring methods to convert the equation into an exact form or to find an integrating factor.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants attempt to transform the ODE into exact form but express difficulty in doing so. Others suggest looking for an integrating factor dependent solely on x. There are also discussions regarding the application of a formula from a textbook and questioning the signs in the equations presented.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the signs in the equations, and there is an exploration of different interpretations of the problem setup.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the methods they can use or the information they can assume. There is also a focus on ensuring the correct application of mathematical principles as they relate to the problem.

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I'm trying to solve the following ODE: [tex]ydx+(\frac {e^x}{y}-1)dy=0[/tex]

I tried to transfer this ODE into exact form but no luck.

Will appreciate any help.
 
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estro said:
I'm trying to solve the following ODE: [tex]ydx+(\frac {e^x}{y}-1)dy=0[/tex]

I tried to transfer this ODE into exact form but no luck.

Will appreciate any help.

Leave the equation as it is and look for an integrating factor that is just a function of x.
 
I tried it before:
[tex]X=y, Y=e^x/y-1[/tex]
[tex]u'(x)+(\frac {X_y-Y_x}{Y})u(x)=0[/tex]
Thus u=e^x

But [tex]d/dy(e^xX) \neq d/dx(e^xY)[/tex]

What I'm missing?
 
estro said:
I tried it before:
[tex]X=y, Y=e^x/y-1[/tex]
[tex]u'(x)+(\frac {X_y-Y_x}{Y})u(x)=0[/tex]

Are you sure about the sign on that numerator?
 
Bellow is formula that I found in my book:
[tex]u'(x)+(\frac {X_y-Y_x}{Y})u(x)=0[/tex]=
[tex]u'(x)-u(x)=0[/tex] => u=e^x

Can't see where is the problem.
 
LCKurtz said:
Are you sure about the sign on that numerator?

estro said:
Bellow is formula that I found in my book:
[tex]u'(x)+(\frac {X_y-Y_x}{Y})u(x)=0[/tex]=
[tex]u'(x)-u(x)=0[/tex] => u=e^x

Can't see where is the problem.

I told you what was wrong. The numerator should be Yx-Xy.
 

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