Non magnetizable magnetically attractable metal

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The discussion revolves around identifying a metal that can be magnetically attracted by a magnet but does not retain magnetism once the magnet is removed. The focus is on the properties of various metals, particularly in applications involving electromagnets and soft iron.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Ramone, seeks a metal that can be magnetically attracted without retaining magnetism after the magnet is removed, mentioning issues with previous tests where the metal became magnetized.
  • Another participant suggests using "soft" iron, which is characterized by low carbon content, as it can be magnetized temporarily and loses its magnetism when the magnet is removed.
  • It is noted that "keepers" that come with magnets are typically made of good quality soft iron, which may be suitable for experimentation.
  • A reference to the B-H curve for 1010 steel is provided, indicating its properties related to remanent magnetism.
  • Participants mention that soft iron is available from school supply companies for educational purposes, suggesting it is a practical option for experiments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that soft iron is a suitable material for the described application, but there is some discussion regarding the properties of other metals, such as 1010 steel, and the potential for remanent magnetism.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the specific definitions of "soft" iron and the conditions under which different metals may or may not retain magnetism. The discussion does not resolve the suitability of all suggested materials.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in materials science, electromagnetism, or practical applications involving magnetism in educational settings.

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Dear Gurus, :)

I am not sure what metal is suitable for the following kind of application:

1. this metal should allow a magnet to stick on to it via magnetism.
2. when the magnet is removed from this metal, it should not be magnetised in any way.
That is, after using it with a magnet over time it should not be magnetised.

I tested using a metal and a magnet. After using for some time, the metal became magnetised even when the magnet was removed. This metal held magnetism for some time before it loses the magnetism to a great extent if not completely.

I like to confirm that Iron core as used in an electromagnet has this property and can be used for this application.

Thanks.
Ramone
 
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You have to use "soft" iron. This is iron with very little carbon in it.

This can be magnetized with a magnet or a current in a coil wound on it, but loses its magnetism when the magnet or current is removed.

The "keepers" that come with magnets are good quality soft iron if you just want to play with some.
I saw a reference that said wire coat hangers were soft iron.
Nails and bolts from a hardware store are likely to be steel and probably not suitable.

Yes, the iron core in an electromagnet would be perfect for this.
 
Look at the B-H curve for 1010 steel in Fig. 2 on page 3 of
http://www.walkerscientific.com/Products/Product_Lines/Magnetic_Analysis/Hysteresisgraphs/Initial-4-Quadrant.pdf
I think the units are Gauss vs. amp-turns per meter.
Bob S
 
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Yes, that looks OK. Very little remanent magnetism.

Also, school supply companies supply soft iron for school experiments.
Like this one:
http://sciencekit.com/soft-iron-rod/p/IG0024186/

$2.15 seems OK for a 200 mm piece of 6 mm soft iron.
 
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