Non-uniform magnetic fields and magnetic moment

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a particle with a magnetic moment in a non-uniform magnetic field. Participants explore the implications of the magnetic field's configuration on the motion of the dipole, particularly addressing the conditions under which a magnetic moment could drift in the direction of the magnetic field.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving a magnetic moment and a magnetic field, suggesting that the dipole will drift along the x-direction due to the derived force from the potential energy.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the magnetic field configuration, noting that for a varying x-component, there must be non-zero y and/or z components to satisfy the divergence-free condition of magnetic fields.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the proposed magnetic field is unphysical due to violating the fundamental law that requires the divergence of the magnetic field to be zero.
  • The initial poster acknowledges the oversight regarding the divergence condition and expresses gratitude for the correction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of the divergence-free condition for magnetic fields, but there is a lack of consensus on the implications of the proposed scenario and the nature of the magnetic field itself.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of the initial magnetic field model, particularly its failure to comply with Maxwell's equations, which may affect the conclusions drawn about the motion of the magnetic dipole.

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Hey all, I'm having some issues with electromagnetism here.

Let's say we have a particle with magnetic moment ##\vec{\mu} = \mu_0 \hat{x}## and magnetic field ##\vec{B(x)} = B_0 \frac{x}{a} \hat{x}## where ##\mu_0,B_0,a## are constants.

If we assume that the magnetic field ##B_0## is far, far bigger than the magnetic field produced by the dipole moment itself, we can assume that the potential ##U(x) =- \vec{\mu} \cdot \vec{B(x)}## has a corresponding conservative force field ##\vec{F} =- \nabla U(x) = \nabla ( \vec{\mu}\cdot \vec{B(x)}) = \mu_0 B_0 \frac{1}{a} \hat{x}##...

Which means that this dipole will drift along ##\hat{x} ##! How is this possible? The magnetic force can only be perpendicular to the current from the magnetic moment, it can never point in the same direction as the magnetic field that creates it!
 
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Interesting puzzle that you have. Perhaps the solution to your puzzle is that the magnetic field must have some y and/or z components if it is going to have an x-component that varies, because ## \nabla \cdot B=0 ##. In your function for the magnetic field ## B ##, you have a non-zero ## \nabla \cdot B ##...editing...if you make a magnetic field with a gradient such that the flux lines are coming together in the forward x-direction, the y and z components (of B) that are present do push the magnetic moment in the correct direction.
 
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Wminus said:
Hey all, I'm having some issues with electromagnetism here.

Let's say we have a particle with magnetic moment ##\vec{\mu} = \mu_0 \hat{x}## and magnetic field ##\vec{B(x)} = B_0 \frac{x}{a} \hat{x}## where ##\mu_0,B_0,a## are constants.

If we assume that the magnetic field ##B_0## is far, far bigger than the magnetic field produced by the dipole moment itself, we can assume that the potential ##U(x) =- \vec{\mu} \cdot \vec{B(x)}## has a corresponding conservative force field ##\vec{F} =- \nabla U(x) = \nabla ( \vec{\mu}\cdot \vec{B(x)}) = \mu_0 B_0 \frac{1}{a} \hat{x}##...

Which means that this dipole will drift along ##\hat{x} ##! How is this possible? The magnetic force can only be perpendicular to the current from the magnetic moment, it can never point in the same direction as the magnetic field that creates it!
Note that this magnetic field is unphysical, i.e., it doesn't make sense. You must have ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{B}=0##, which is one of the very fundamental laws of nature (one of Maxwell's equations).
 
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Of course, I forgot about that divB must be 0. You guys are totally right.

Thanks!
 

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