Normal force of weight on the ground

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The discussion revolves around the concept of normal force in relation to weight, particularly in scenarios such as standing still, jumping, and moving in an elevator. Participants explore how normal force behaves under different conditions, including acceleration and the effects of gravity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between normal force and weight, questioning whether normal force is always equal to weight except during jumps or falls. They also explore the implications of acceleration in an elevator and how it affects the normal force experienced.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the normal force in various contexts. Some participants affirm the original poster's reasoning while others introduce additional considerations about inclined surfaces and the concept of apparent weight.

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There are mentions of specific scenarios such as standing on flat ground versus inclined surfaces, as well as the effects of jumping and landing. The discussion also touches on the distinction between true weight and apparent weight in the context of acceleration.

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If we are simply standing on the ground will our normal force be always equal to our weight besides when we are jumping or when we land on the ground from a fall?
When we are in an elevator, will the normal downwards force on the floor be of our weight (cancelling out our the extra force acted to allow us the gain an acceleration?
Eg I am 10kg and I move up with acceleration of 5m/s^2. Net force=upwards-normal downwards force=upwards-100N=50N. So upwards force is 150N and hence normal downwards force is 150N as well? In other words, the normal downwards force is always equal to weight?

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I think so, because if we look at the free body diagram (FBD) of me. I have 100N of force acting downwards (weight) but since I have a net force of 50N, so I need 150N of upwards force to counter the 100N of force. So in essence, the normal downwards force can be evaluated by the object's (in this case myself) motion? So for another example, when jumping I experience 10N net force, so my normal downwards force will be my weight plus the additional 10N of force. Totalling to 110N? Thanks for the help!
 
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Your logic is correct. When you accelerate upward, the floor gets your normal weight plus ma. You could verify all of that with a bathroom scale. When jumping off it, though, be gentle, because the acceleration during a jump is rather big, but brief. Having a video camera capturing the indicator of the scale would be helpful.
 
If we are simply standing on the ground will our normal force be always equal to our weight besides when we are jumping or when we land on the ground from a fall?

On flat ground yes, but if you are on an inclined slope, then your normal force will balance some component of gravity. When you land on your feet onto flat ground from a fall, you experience a relatively large stopping force upwards from the ground. If you could measure this with sensitive equipment, your weight would appear to increase.
 
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Thanks, I guess we can just use the forces shown on our own body to answer the forces acting on the stuff below us if the plane of contact is the ground eg jumping. Is this right? Thanks again :)
 
sgstudent said:
When we are in an elevator, will the normal downwards force on the floor be of our weight (cancelling out our the extra force acted to allow us the gain an acceleration?
Eg I am 10kg and I move up with acceleration of 5m/s^2. Net force=upwards-normal downwards force=upwards-100N=50N. So upwards force is 150N and hence normal downwards force is 150N as well? In other words, the normal downwards force is always equal to weight?
For clarification, the upwards force on your body from the elevator floor (the normal force) is 150 N, and the downwards force on the elevator floor from your body is also 150 N , from Newton's 3rd Law. So why do you say the the normal downwards force is always equal to your weight? Your weight is only 100N. The 150 N is sometimes called your 'apparent' weight, but your true weight is still 100N.
 

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