Normal modes in a coupled system

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of normal modes in coupled oscillator systems, exploring why parts of the system oscillate with constant angular frequency and phase difference. Participants examine theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and implications of linearity in the context of oscillatory motion.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the conditions under which normal modes occur, suggesting that proper initial conditions are necessary for the system to oscillate in a normal mode.
  • Others argue that if the system is excited randomly, it will oscillate in a complex manner, but this motion can still be expressed as a combination of normal modes.
  • A participant presents a mathematical framework involving a positive definite symmetric matrix to describe the potential energy in the system, indicating that diagonalization leads to uncoupled oscillations with fixed angular frequencies.
  • Another participant mentions that in one-dimensional motion with two masses, the eigenvalue problem yields two natural frequencies and eigenvectors, which represent mode shapes for the system's oscillation.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of linear equations and Hooke's Law, with some participants seeking clarification on how displacement relates to force and frequency in the context of coupled oscillators.
  • One participant notes that the shape of the wave does not change in vertical oscillations, raising questions about the nature of oscillatory motion in linear systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the conditions necessary for normal modes to occur and the implications of linearity. There is no consensus on the specifics of how these modes manifest in different scenarios, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference the need for specific initial conditions and the role of linearity in determining oscillatory behavior, but these aspects remain unresolved and are dependent on the definitions and assumptions made by participants.

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Why would normal modes occur in the coupled oscillator system I.e. why the parts of system would oscillate with constant angular frequency and constant phase difference ?
 
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rahaverhma said:
Why would normal modes occur in the coupled oscillator system I.e. why the parts of system would oscillate with constant angular frequency and constant phase difference ?
If the network were to alter the frequency, it would need to change the shape of the wave whilst doing so. For example, a frequency modulated wave is not sinusoidal.
To alter the shape of a wave the network would need to be either non linear, which it is not (it has only linear LCR components), or have varying parameters, such as a varying C.
If the network has a double response, such as with over-coupled resonators, it can, however, start oscillating on one of two frequencies when excited by an impulse.
 
Actually I had come across a question of 2 springs ,2 blocks suspended by wall under gravity.And I think the shape of wave would not change because there is only vertical oscillations .Yeah,the system has linear equation ,but what do we mean by this ?
 
rahaverhma said:
Actually I had come across a question of 2 springs ,2 blocks suspended by wall under gravity.And I think the shape of wave would not change because there is only vertical oscillations .Yeah,the system has linear equation ,but what do we mean by this ?
Displacement is proportional to force (Hooke's Law).
 
tech99 said:
Displacement is proportional to force (Hooke's Law).
But how can I know that they both will be oscillating at same frequencies.And which u hv said that only tells about the frequency of parts of a system.I mean omega is unique for the components .
 
Well you have a potential like
$$V(\vec{x})=\frac{1}{2} \sum_{jk} x_j x_k D_{jk},$$
where ##D_{jk}## is a positive definite symmetric matrix.

Now you can always diagonalize such a matrix by choosing another Cartesian basis (i.e., by a rotation of the original Cartesian basis). In this basis you have
$$V(\vec{x})=\sum_{j} \frac{D_j}{2} x_j^2.$$
The force components in this frame are
$$F_j=-D_j x_j$$
(with NO Einstein summation implies).

This means in this frame the components are not coupled and thus each oscillates with its fixed angular frequency ##\omega_j=\sqrt{D_j/m}##.
 
In one dimensional motion (vertical only), two masses implies two degrees of freedom. When you set up the eigen problem, you will get two roots (two natural frequencies) and two eigenvectors. Each eigenvector describes a mode shape. The actual physical motion of the masses in free vibration is a linear combination of those mode shapes, not just one or the other.
 
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rahaverhma said:
Why would normal modes occur in the coupled oscillator system I.e. why the parts of system would oscillate with constant angular frequency and constant phase difference ?
The system would not do this unless you set up the proper initial conditions in such a way as to determine the system to oscillate in a normal mode.
If you just excite the system in a random way, it will oscillate in some complex way, with components possibly stopping at some instants and starting again. But no matter how complicated, the motion can be seen as a combination of normal modes.

As an analogy,a vector may be described as a sum of its components along the axes of coordinates. You can pick up a coordinate system so that the vector is all along x-axis but this is just a special case. And so is a system oscillating in a normal mode.
 
Of course, the general solution of the homogeneous linear ODEs are the superpositions of the eigenvectors of the corresponding linear differential operator (aka eigenmodes).
 

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