Normalization of wave function in x, y and z

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The discussion revolves around finding the normalization constant for the wave function psi(x,y,z) = N exp -(x/2+y/2+z/2). Participants are exploring the implications of the normalization condition and the nature of the wave function in the context of quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the normalization integral and express confusion over the non-normalizability of the given wave function. There are attempts to clarify the expression of the wave function and its implications. Questions arise regarding the evaluation of integrals involving absolute values and the correct setup for integration limits.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the normalization process, with some participants suggesting that the original wave function may be incorrect. Guidance has been offered on how to approach the integral by splitting it into two parts based on the sign of the variable.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in the expression of the wave function and discuss the implications of using absolute values in the integrals. There is a recognition that the normalization condition may not hold under the current formulation of the wave function.

Lorna
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Hello,

How do I find the normalization constant for psi(x,y,z) = N exp -(x/2+y/2+z/2) ??

I did the following:

[tex]\int(psi^* psi)dx dy dz = 1[/tex]

the integral bounds are from -infinity to infinity and the * means the complex conjugate.The integral is so weird that I couldn't find N. I used maple to evalulate the integral and it gave me something like infinity multiplied by some other things.

Please help.
thanks
 
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Lorna said:
Hello,

How do I find the normalization constant for psi(x,y,z) = N exp -(x/2+y/2+z/2) ??

I did the following:

[tex]\int(psi^* psi)dx dy dz = 1[/tex]

the integral bounds are from -infinity to infinity and the * means the complex conjugate.The integral is so weird that I couldn't find N. I used maple to evalulate the integral and it gave me something like infinity multiplied by some other things.

Please help.
thanks
Welcome to the forums!

The equation for the normalization you wrote is entirely correct.
However, I am sure that you have the wrong expression for the wavefunction because the wavefunction you wrote down is non normalizable. Please double check the problem because I am sure this is not the correct wavefunction. Are you sure it was not [tex]N exp -(\frac{x^2}{2}+\frac{y^2}{2}+\frac{z^2}{2})[/tex]
instead?
 
That's what I thought too, but I double checked and I have it written in two sources. The only difference between what I typed here and the original is that the x, y and z are in absolute, that is: |x|, |y|, and |z| and that each is divided by a constant, a, b and c respectiviely.
 
I see. What does [itex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-|x|} \ {} dx[/itex] equal to ?
 
[tex]-e^(-|x|)[/tex] evaluated from -infinity to infinity which is zero?
 
Oops, I guess the derivative of |x| is : |x|/x
But that gives an infinity/infinity which is not defined!
 
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Do you know how to explicitate the || ?
 
I am not sure what you mean by explicitate.
 
Simply means to write what |x| is equal to on [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex].
 
  • #10
yes. the value inside the absolute can be +ve or -ve, but the absolute value makes it always +ve regardless of the sign of x, so :

|x| = x when x >=0 and -x when x <0

is that what you meant>?
 
  • #11
Yes, now can you compute the integral i wrote above ?
 
  • #12
I get -infinity or :

- (|x|/x * e^ -|x|) eval. bw infinity and -infinity so =
- (1*e^-infinity - {- e^infinity}) = infinity
 
  • #13
Lorna, try splitting the integral that dextercioby gave you into two pieces.
 
  • #14
I am not sure I know how to do it, that's why I'm asking. I get:

answer (if x >=0) = -e^-x (eval from -inf to +inf)
answer (if x < 0) = e^x (eval from -inf to +inf)

I think I'm missing something here
 
  • #15
Why are you integrating both halves of the function from -infinity to +infinity? The negative side should be integrated from -infinity to 0, and the positive side should be integrated from 0 to +infinity.
 
  • #16
Wow Manchot, now I see how it works! Thanks a lot for all who helped.
 
  • #17
Lorna said:
I am not sure I know how to do it, that's why I'm asking. I get:

answer (if x >=0) = -e^-x (eval from -inf to +inf)
answer (if x < 0) = e^x (eval from -inf to +inf)

I think I'm missing something here


Ahhh! You did not mention absolute values in your initial post!

You should not have an overall minus sign in front.

It's simply this:


for x>0, we have [tex]e^{- |x|} = e^{-x}[/tex]

and for x<0, we have [tex]e^{- |x|} = e^{x}[/tex]

Now you simply have to break up the x integral into
[tex]\int_{\infty}^{\infty} = \int_{-\infty}^0 + \int_0^{\infty}[/tex] and in each integral replace the exponential of the absolute value by its expression given above.
 

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