Not sure if I calculated this correctly (Find the final temperature)

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The problem involves a metal cylinder being cooled in water, requiring the calculation of the final equilibrium temperature after heat exchange. The specific heats and masses of both the cylinder and water are provided, along with initial temperatures. The context is thermodynamics, specifically heat transfer and energy conservation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles and the heat transfer equations. There are attempts to calculate the final temperature for different materials (copper and aluminum) and considerations of phase changes when water reaches boiling point. Some participants question the accuracy of their calculations and the assumptions made regarding the boiling of water.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants revisiting their calculations and assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions under which water may boil and the implications for the final temperature. There is recognition of the need to consider how much water may vaporize during the process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly interpreting the specific heat values and the heat of vaporization. There is a focus on ensuring that the calculations reflect the physical constraints of the system, particularly regarding the boiling point of water.

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Did I solve this correctly? I'm not sure if my method is correct.

Homework Statement


A metal cylinder with the specific heat c_{cylinder} and mass m_{cylinder} is warmed up to temperature T_{cylinder} and then cooled down by putting it into water which has the temperature T_{water} and mass m_{water} and specific heat c_{water}.
Find an expression for the final temperature T (the equilibrium temperature).

Afterwards consider the following values:
T_{cylinder}=600 °C
T_{water}=20 °C
m_{cylinder}=2 kg
m_{water}=2 kg
c_{water}=4190\frac{J}{kg\cdot K}
L_{water}=2256\frac{kJ}{kg} (heat of vaporization)

Calculate the final temperature if the cylinder was made of copper with specific heat c_{Cu}=390\frac{J}{kg\cdot K} and comment on the result.

Then calculate the final temperature if the cylinder was made of aluminum with specific heat c_{Al}=910\frac{J}{kg\cdot K} and comment on the result.

Homework Equations


Heat required for temperature change ΔT of mass m:
Q=mcΔT

Energy conservation relation:
∑Q=0

Heat transfer in a phase change:
Q=mL

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the first equation listed above for both the cylinder and water:
Q_{cylinder}=m_{cylinder}c_{cylinder}(T-T_{cylinder})
Q_{water}=m_{water}c_{water}(T-T_{water})

The energy conservation relation yields:
Q_{cylinder}+Q_{water}=0
m_{cylinder}c_{cylinder}(T-T_{cylinder})+m_{water}c_{water}(T-T_{water})=0

Isolating the final temperature T gives the expression:
T=\frac{m_{water}c_{water}T_{water}+m_{cylinder}c_{cylinder}T_{cylinder}}{m_{water}c_{water}+m_{cylinder}c_{cylinder}}

If the cylinder was made of copper:
I assume that the water does not boil so the final temperature will be less than 100 °C (boiling point of water).

T=\frac{2\cdot 4190\cdot 20+2\cdot 390\cdot 600}{2\cdot 4190+2\cdot 390}=46 °C

If the cylinder was made of aluminum:
I assume that the water does not boil so the final temperature will be less than 100 °C (boiling point of water).

T=\frac{2\cdot 4190\cdot 20+2\cdot 910\cdot 600}{2\cdot 4190+2\cdot 910}=82 °C
 
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I just realized that I miscalculated on both equations. Let me try again:

If the cylinder was made of copper:
I assume that the water does not boil so the final temperature will be less than 100 °C (boiling point of water).

T=\frac{2\cdot 4190\cdot 20+2\cdot 390\cdot 600}{2\cdot 4190+2\cdot 390}=69 °C

If the cylinder was made of aluminum:
I assume that the water does not boil so the final temperature will be less than 100 °C (boiling point of water).

T=\frac{2\cdot 4190\cdot 20+2\cdot 910\cdot 600}{2\cdot 4190+2\cdot 910}=123.5 °C

Since the final temperature is above 100 °C, that means the water boils and we have a phase change.

The energy conservation condition then yields:
Q_{cylinder}+Q_{water}=0
m_{cylinder}c_{cylinder}(T-T_{cylinder})+m_{water}L_{water}+m_{water}c_{water}(T-T_{water})=0

Isolating T:
T=\frac{m_{water}c_{water}T_{water}+m_{cylinder}c_{cylinder}T_{cylinder}-L_{water}m_{water}}{m_{water}c_{water}+m_{cylinder}c_{cylinder}}

Inserting values:
T=\frac{2\cdot 4190\cdot 20+2\cdot 910\cdot 600-2256\cdot 2}{2\cdot 4190+2\cdot 910}=123 °C

So the final temperature is 123 °C.
 
Try again. That's 2256.2 kJ/kg, not J/kg. Also, maybe not all the water vaporizes, in which case the final temperature would be 100C, and you would have to find out how much liquid water remains.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
Try again. That's 2256.2 kJ/kg, not J/kg. Also, maybe not all the water vaporizes, in which case the final temperature would be 100C, and you would have to find out how much liquid water remains.

Chet

Oh yes, you're right. Then I get:
T=\frac{2\cdot 4190\cdot 20+2\cdot 910\cdot 600-2256000\cdot 2}{2\cdot 4190+2\cdot 910}=-319 °C

That's clearly not correct though so I'm assuming this isn't the correct method that I'm using.

How do you know the final temperature is 100 °C? Is it because it can't get any higher than 100?

If we want to calculate how much water liquid remains we need to figure out how much x amount is vaporized xm_{water}L_{water} at 100 degrees:

m_{Al}c_{Al}(100-T_{Al})+xm_{water}L_{water}+m_{water}c_{water}(100-T_{water})=0

Solve for x:
x=\frac{-m_{Al}c_{Al}(100-T_{Al})-m_{water}c_{water}(100-T_{water})}{m_{water}L_{water}}

Insert values:
x=\frac{-2\cdot 910\cdot (100-600)-2\cdot 4190\cdot (100-20)}{2\cdot 2256000}=0.053

That means a total of 0.053\cdot 2kg=0.106kg water is vaporized. So the water that remains at 100 degrees is:
2kg-0.106kg=1.894kg

But what now?
 
PhyIsOhSoHard said:
Oh yes, you're right. Then I get:
T=\frac{2\cdot 4190\cdot 20+2\cdot 910\cdot 600-2256000\cdot 2}{2\cdot 4190+2\cdot 910}=-319 °C

That's clearly not correct though so I'm assuming this isn't the correct method that I'm using.

How do you know the final temperature is 100 °C? Is it because it can't get any higher than 100?

If we want to calculate how much water liquid remains we need to figure out how much x amount is vaporized xm_{water}L_{water} at 100 degrees:

m_{Al}c_{Al}(100-T_{Al})+xm_{water}L_{water}+m_{water}c_{water}(100-T_{water})=0

Solve for x:
x=\frac{-m_{Al}c_{Al}(100-T_{Al})-m_{water}c_{water}(100-T_{water})}{m_{water}L_{water}}

Insert values:
x=\frac{-2\cdot 910\cdot (100-600)-2\cdot 4190\cdot (100-20)}{2\cdot 2256000}=0.053

That means a total of 0.053\cdot 2kg=0.106kg water is vaporized. So the water that remains at 100 degrees is:
2kg-0.106kg=1.894kg

But what now?
I haven't checked your arithmetic, but this is the right idea. The temperature would stay at 100C until, if necessary, all the water has been vaporized, which is not the case in this problem.

As far as "but what now?", nothing. You're done (if you did the math correctly).

Chet
 
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