Noticed something in a clockwatch

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The discussion revolves around the concept of energy harvesting, particularly the potential application of mechanical energy from movements to charge pacemaker batteries. Participants explore the feasibility of using mechanisms similar to those in automatic watches to generate electricity from bodily movements, while also considering the implications for weight, infection risk, and reliability in medical devices.

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  • Some participants propose that mechanical clockwatches could inspire energy harvesting techniques for pacemakers, using movements like arterial pulses to generate power.
  • Others mention that energy harvesting from body movements is a general topic, suggesting that there are existing applications and research in this area.
  • There is a question about the definition of "clockwatch," with some participants clarifying it as a colloquial term for wristwatch, specifically automatic watches that recharge through movement.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of using cardiac or diaphragmatic movements for energy harvesting due to potential irritation and complications for individuals with pacemakers.
  • Participants discuss the technical challenge of converting mechanical energy into electrical energy, with suggestions including dragging a magnet past conductive wires or using piezoelectric crystals.
  • Some participants argue that harvesting energy from a wrist may be more feasible than from the chest area where pacemakers are typically implanted.
  • Reliability issues are highlighted, particularly in life-critical applications, suggesting that simplicity might be preferable in design.

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Participants express multiple competing views on the feasibility and practicality of using mechanical energy harvesting for pacemakers. There is no consensus on the best approach or the implications of such technology.

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Discussions include various assumptions about the effectiveness and safety of energy harvesting methods, as well as the technical challenges involved in converting mechanical energy to electrical energy. Limitations regarding the specific conditions under which these methods could be applied are acknowledged but not resolved.

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Could technology used in a clockwatch be used to power a pacemaker
Greetings All:
Looking into few clockwatch adds and noticed that some of the mechanical clockwatches (handwatchs) are able to be charged(rewind a spring) by movements alone , those clockwatchs don't have a battery ,but could this mechanism, be used in charging a pacemaker battery , for example using the pulse of the artery ,to power a spring or crystal that creates a current to charge the battery , will that reduce the weight of it ?
Or just increase it's weight creating complications
What about the infection
Is there a device to create electricity from walking using similar techniques

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Hagop
 
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What is a clock watch?
Is it distinct from a watch or clock?

Even Google has never heard of the term.

I'm guessing it is a colloquialism for watch...
 
DaveC426913 said:
What is a clock watch?
Is it distinct from a watch or clock?

Even Google has never heard of the term.

I'm guessing it is a colloquialism for watch...
Yes, he means wristwatch. Those that are rewound/recharged with movement are called "automatic" watches (hey, I didn't make up the term).

I was given a Seiko automatic watch when I was an early teen in Japan (living there with my Army family on deployment). What a treat! :smile:

https://www.seikowatches.com/us-en/

When folks wear an automatic wristwatch, they often develop a "tick" type of movement with their arm where they shake the lower arm to enhance the charging effect and loosen the watchband on their wrist.

hagopbul said:
but could this mechanism, be used in charging a pacemaker battery , for example using the pulse of the artery ,to power a spring or crystal that creates a current to charge the battery , will that reduce the weight of it ?
Or just increase it's weight creating complications
What about the infection
Harvesting body movement to recharge a pacemaker battery could possibly work, but you would probably not want to try to use the cardiac muscle contractions (or lung diaphram movements) to generate that energy. If you have an implanted pacemaker, your heart is likely in trouble anyway, so adding a load and irritation to it would probably be a bad idea. And trying to harvest energy from diaphragm/lung movements is also problematic due to irritation issues.
 
The issue I see is… how do you turn mechanical energy into electrical energy to power the pacemaker?
 
Flyboy said:
The issue I see is… how do you turn mechanical energy into electrical energy to power the pacemaker?
Elementary. Let the movement drag a magnet past some conductive wires. This induces a current.
 
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@Tom.G I hope your LOL emoticon wasn't for my Elmer Fudd impression "Ewementawawy. It was an autocorrupt by my phone. :rolleyes:
 
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Naw... Just the fact that you were clever enough to state the obvious with the wild-a*s ideas that were floating around.

Cheers,
Tom

p.s. Where can I get one of those autocorrupt phones -- sounds like it could be fun!
 
DaveC426913 said:
Elementary. Let the movement drag a magnet past some conductive wires. This induces a current.
But how do you move the magnet past the wires? That’s more the question I was asking.

Put the magnets on the balance wheel of the escapement mechanism?
 
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It is probably much easier to harvest energy placing the harvesting device on a wrist (broad, quick movements all the time) than to harvest energy available in the place typical pacemaker is implanted (relatively static chest).
 
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Flyboy said:
But how do you move the magnet past the wires? That’s more the question I was asking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_watch

Reasonably easy to convert the same idea into an electric generator (perhaps even easier, no need for high precision mechanic system).
 
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Flyboy said:
The issue I see is… how do you turn mechanical energy into electrical energy to power the pacemaker?
Very often done with a piezoelectric xtal.
 
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Reliability issues of a 'life critical' application, I think.
Sometimes it's just better to keep it as simple as reasonably possible.
 
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